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ethomaz on 04 December 2012

kowenicki said:

What a strange way of looking at things.  GT5P was a part of the GT5 development, they released GT5P to help keep money rolling in (they new GT fans would pay for a demo you see) to fund its development costs, that doesnt mean it had no development costs.

You may aswell say Halo had no development costs becasue it made them all back within the first 12 hours.  Its a whole new level of spinning sillyness.

What can I say? Prologue covered the GT5 dev costs... it did near $200 million revenue... the GT5 dev costs was $60 million for the five years.

And now a little maths without official PR...

GT5 2010 sales: 5,264,164 x $50 = $263 million
GT5 2011 sales: 1,785,728 x $30 = $53 million
GT5 2012 sales: 1,188,573 x $10 = $12 miliion

Total revenue:  $328 million

REMEMBER I USED THE LOWEST PRICE POSSIBLE FOR THE YEAR!!! NO LIMITED OR SPECIAL EDITION!!! NO DLC SALES!!!

If I use the real price the number will be near $500 million in revenue... with the dev costs covered by Prologue... how much profit GT5 give to Sony???



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ethomaz on 04 December 2012

Ji99saw said:

1. That's the most ridiculous claim ever if that's the case reach paid for halo 4 dev cost, halo 3 paid for for ODST, and so on

2. You still don't know the dev cost of halo 4 but then again using your logic it had no cost

3. I'm done talking to you, your arguments are weak at best and deluded at worst. Stop quoting me  so I don't have to see that icon and come back here

Not even close = way more than $60 million.

http://www.vg247.com/2012/10/26/halo-4-nothings-even-close-to-sequels-development-cost/

The unique point my arguments are weak is the fact I'm comparing 1 game vs 3 games.

I don't want to spent my time to show the thuth here... GT is still a bigger franchise than Halo... the numbers show that.



ethomaz on 04 December 2012

kowenicki said:

and again you miss the ludicrous nature of the point you made.

By your logic, no halo game since Halo CE has ever cost money, because the previous game in the series made easily enough to cover the making of the next iteration.

THINK!

No. Halo 3 is a new production... Halo: Reach even... Halo 4 again.

GT5:P just exists to tests the new engine and features for GT5... in fact they are the same game interaction... one don't exists without the other... it's more like Halo 3 to ODST... there is no OSDT without Halo 3.

It's the same team... same development... same engine.



ethomaz on 04 December 2012

kowenicki said:

and now you beat your own arguement.

But to humour you...

So halo 2 cost nothng (halo CE engine)

and halo ODST cost nothing as it was Halo 3 engine?

Its barmy logic.

I didn't say there is no cost... I said the Prologue covered the GT5 costs... and the same for Halo 3 and ODST.

You need to know the GT5:Prologue  and GT5 development are together... there is no time for Prolotue or GT5... there are the same game in development... the five year to develop GT5 have GT5:P too.

It's only unique engine... one development... that's my point.

PD expended five year to develop GT5 (GT5:P included) with a buget of $60 million (GT5:P included)... all the dev costs are covered in early development with the GT5:P release.



ethomaz on 04 December 2012

@kowen

I found better words to explain to you what I want to say...

"Prologue sponsored the GT5's development"



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dsgrue3 on 04 December 2012

He just means the development cost of GT5 was offset by Prologue's profit as it was only a precursor to the real game (GT5).

Come on, stop berating him because of a poorly worded sentence.



dsage01 on 04 December 2012
ethomaz said:

kowenicki said:

What a strange way of looking at things.  GT5P was a part of the GT5 development, they released GT5P to help keep money rolling in (they new GT fans would pay for a demo you see) to fund its development costs, that doesnt mean it had no development costs.

You may aswell say Halo had no development costs becasue it made them all back within the first 12 hours.  Its a whole new level of spinning sillyness.

What can I say? Prologue covered the GT5 dev costs... it did near $200 million revenue... the GT5 dev costs was $60 million for the five years.

And now a little maths without official PR...

T5 2010 sales: 5,264,164 x $50 = $263 million
GT5 2011 sales: 1,785,728 x $30 = $53 million
GT5 2012 sales: 1,188,573 x $10 = $12 miliion

Total revenue:  $328 millionG

REMEMBER I USED THE LOWEST PRICE POSSIBLE FOR THE YEAR!!! NO LIMITED OR SPECIAL EDITION!!! NO DLC SALES!!!

If I use the real price the number will be near $500 million in revenue... with the dev costs covered by Prologue... how much profit GT5 give to Sony???

GT5 2010 sales: 5,264,164 x $50 = $263 million
GT5 2011 sales: 1,785,728 x $30 = $53 million
GT5 2012 sales: 1,188,573 x $10 = $12 miliion

Total revenue:  $328 million

That is much less than the actual profit...600 million looks much more realistic considering all the special editions. GT5 is also undertracked on this site by slightly under 1 million



ethomaz on 04 December 2012

kowenicki said:

$600m in PROFIT !?  lmao

Revenue.



man-bear-pig on 04 December 2012
ethomaz said:

man-bear-pig said:

Woah, woah, woah! Do you honestly think that GT is bigger than Halo nowadays?!

GT is a bigger franchise? Yes, it still is.

GT franchise lost popularity in US and JP but growed a lot in Europe... so the franchise have the same popularity it had in PS2 age... nothing changed. Eg. GT5 will match Halo 3 sales and sell over any other Halo released at the end of this gen.

So why did you thing Halo franchise is bigger than GT franchise???

Sales per game = GT wins
Total sales = GT wins (even if you remove the firsts GT sales for match the first Halo release)
Max sales for one game = GT wins

I don't remember anything that show Halo franchise is bigger than GT franchise.


In terms of relevance in today's market: Halo > Gran Turismo



My prediction threads:

Wii U will sell under 40m units (made on 14th September 2012)

PS Vita will sell under 20m units (made on 30th September 2012)

Wii U will sell under 7m in 2013 - I was right

Halo 4 first 9 weeks sales prediction

PS4 to be down YOY in 2015

man-bear-pig on 04 December 2012
CGI-Quality said:
Ji99saw said:


Since you don't understand i'll put it to you simple Halo is a bigger franchise than GT will ever hope to be

Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec - 14.88mill

Halo 3 - 11.64mill

As long as that stays the way it is, this makes no sense.  Overall, Halo is substantially bigger in the U.S., while around the world, Gran Turismo is far ahead.


That's like saying Pokemon is a bigger franchise than CoD because its games have sold higher in the past. The past is over, the present is what counts!



My prediction threads:

Wii U will sell under 40m units (made on 14th September 2012)

PS Vita will sell under 20m units (made on 30th September 2012)

Wii U will sell under 7m in 2013 - I was right

Halo 4 first 9 weeks sales prediction

PS4 to be down YOY in 2015