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VGKing said:
"Along with great titles, the PS Vita seem to be having a fire sale this holiday slashing the systems price to $199"
It's not a fire sale, it's a Black Friday sale. There's a huge difference.

Can Vita reach 5million sales by the end of the year? It would need to sell 1.8million more......I'd say that's impossible. TBH, it would be lucky to reach 4million.

I've been seeing lots of Vita ads everywhere though. As I'm typing this there's a Vita $199 Black Friday ad on this site! Sony is definitely trying. I don't think we should consider Assassin's Creed or Black Ops Declassified failures yet, the bulk of their sales will be made during the next month. Maybe the $199 price point could become permanent if Sony sees it makes a huge difference.

One thing is for sure though, VITA WILL NOT BE DISCONTINUED. As little as it is selling, it is selling.....I'd say worst case scenario, the Vita becomes a purely digital device within the next few years.

" the Vita becomes a purely digital device within the next few years." ...  naww really?.. you think sony would actually consider this after their 'trial' at digital-only psp-go that went really well ? o-wait



 

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At this rate, highly doubt it.



VGKing said:
oni-link said:
VGKing said:
"Along with great titles, the PS Vita seem to be having a fire sale this holiday slashing the systems price to $199"
It's not a fire sale, it's a Black Friday sale. There's a huge difference.

Can Vita reach 5million sales by the end of the year? It would need to sell 1.8million more......I'd say that's impossible. TBH, it would be lucky to reach 4million.

I've been seeing lots of Vita ads everywhere though. As I'm typing this there's a Vita $199 Black Friday ad on this site! Sony is definitely trying. I don't think we should consider Assassin's Creed or Black Ops Declassified failures yet, the bulk of their sales will be made during the next month. Maybe the $199 price point could become permanent if Sony sees it makes a huge difference.

One thing is for sure though, VITA WILL NOT BE DISCONTINUED. As little as it is selling, it is selling.....I'd say worst case scenario, the Vita becomes a purely digital device within the next few years.


With Sony's financial situation I wouldn't be too sure about it.  The Vita is bleeding $$ at the moment and Sony is doing it's best for the system.  It could only do so much until they realize the it would be a futile effort and move on; regardless of what the fans want the system must become profitable in order to be allocated funds!!!

Vita is not bleeding money. If anything, Sony is making a small loss on each Vita. I'd say it'll be profitable by next Christmas at $250. 

When was its bill of materials $160 (for the $299 model), January? Being made mostly of quite standard components, very similar to those we can fnd in a smartphone, their cost should have already dropped a few tens $. So it should be a few $ profitable now, even without adding a memory card and a game. Then there is to consider that the biggest costs, initial investments, have already been paid. Were the console not profitable overall, keeping on producing it would just increase losses, but once it became profitable, selling it as long as it's possible, even in small volumes, is the only way to recover part or all of the investments. Surely it makes more sense for Sony to keep on selling PSV than keeping on selling at a loss TVs in the middle and low range, where it struggles to compete alone, and only recently finally accepted the situation and started a joint venture with former archrival Panasonic.

This said, Sony should moneyhat, if necessary, Capcom for a Monster Hunter main title on PSV, maybe preceded by an appetizing MH port to avoid wasting the main title when HW base is still too small.

 

oni-link said:
VGKing said:

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Vita is not bleeding money. If anything, Sony is making a small loss on each Vita. I'd say it'll be profitable by next Christmas at $250. 

Far from it, since Kaz himself says that it will take 3 years b4 Vita will be profitable; but that's another matter.  I really think Vita should sell 5 mil before Christmas day; especially seeing all the resources Sony has thrown for the system this year.

You are talking about two different things: stopping selling at a loss, that already happened, and recovering the initial losses, that can only happen later, obviously, but that if you stop selling when sales become profitable, can NEVER happen. Once the product stops selling at a loss, keeping on selling it as long as it's possible and viable is the only way to recover losses or at least reduce them.



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RolStoppable said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

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This said, Sony should moneyhat, if necessary, Capcom for a Monster Hunter main title on PSV, maybe preceded by an appetizing MH port to avoid wasting the main title when HW base is still too small.

There's no double-moneyhatting, so Vita won't get Monster Hunter in the near future.

Obviously not, even if they did it as soon as PSV sales in Japan dropped, it would take some time, and if Ninty did it before (Did it? is current de facto exclusive due just to Capcom will or did Ninty pay them?), it will have received at least a one year exclusive from launch, I can't see Ninty spending its money for anything less.



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RolStoppable said:
kowenicki said:

You can forget that projection.  That was prior to the launch and will have been based on MUCH helathier sales numbers.  The marketing alone going on for the Vita right no on TV in the UK for instance can in no way be satisfied by the meagre sales there.  Its bleeding cash, it has to be.

Sony is also running one or two spots over the course of both Sunday Night and Monday Night Football (NFL), those have to be expensive prime time slots in the USA. Sony is definitely advertising the Vita, whether it helps is another story.

They're advertising also here in Italy, both on football fields and on TV during those horrible sports programs broadcasted after football matches, where unbearable windbags endlessly blather about the matches and the football market, being paid for what old geezers always do for free in the bars. This too, though, makes more likely that Sony will keep on selling PSV, as the marketing money has been already paid, so stopping selling would mean losing it for nothing.



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RolStoppable said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

Obviously not, even if they did it as soon as PSV sales in Japan dropped, it would take some time, and if Ninty did it before (Did it? is current de facto exclusive due just to Capcom will or did Ninty pay them?), it will have received at least a one year exclusive from launch, I can't see Ninty spending its money for anything less.

A major third party publisher helping Nintendo out of sheer goodwill, how realistic is that?

ROTFL! Right, what was I thinking?    



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For advertising:

The Vita takes the main spot at the UEFA Champions League as well. This is probably the biggest sports event you can find in Europe, maybe even the world. It is head to head with the superbowl.

And the vita is also sponsoring the German Bundesliga on sky. Much smaller than Champions League of course, but the combination of Italian, English and German football + the Champions League is pretty massive and NOT cheap.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

Alby_da_Wolf said:
VGKing said:
oni-link said:
VGKing said:
"Along with great titles, the PS Vita seem to be having a fire sale this holiday slashing the systems price to $199"
It's not a fire sale, it's a Black Friday sale. There's a huge difference.

Can Vita reach 5million sales by the end of the year? It would need to sell 1.8million more......I'd say that's impossible. TBH, it would be lucky to reach 4million.

I've been seeing lots of Vita ads everywhere though. As I'm typing this there's a Vita $199 Black Friday ad on this site! Sony is definitely trying. I don't think we should consider Assassin's Creed or Black Ops Declassified failures yet, the bulk of their sales will be made during the next month. Maybe the $199 price point could become permanent if Sony sees it makes a huge difference.

One thing is for sure though, VITA WILL NOT BE DISCONTINUED. As little as it is selling, it is selling.....I'd say worst case scenario, the Vita becomes a purely digital device within the next few years.


With Sony's financial situation I wouldn't be too sure about it.  The Vita is bleeding $$ at the moment and Sony is doing it's best for the system.  It could only do so much until they realize the it would be a futile effort and move on; regardless of what the fans want the system must become profitable in order to be allocated funds!!!

Vita is not bleeding money. If anything, Sony is making a small loss on each Vita. I'd say it'll be profitable by next Christmas at $250. 

When was its bill of materials $160 (for the $299 model), January? Being made mostly of quite standard components, very similar to those we can fnd in a smartphone, their cost should have already dropped a few tens $. So it should be a few $ profitable now, even without adding a memory card and a game. Then there is to consider that the biggest costs, initial investments, have already been paid. Were the console not profitable overall, keeping on producing it would just increase losses, but once it became profitable, selling it as long as it's possible, even in small volumes, is the only way to recover part or all of the investments. Surely it makes more sense for Sony to keep on selling PSV than keeping on selling at a loss TVs in the middle and low range, where it struggles to compete alone, and only recently finally accepted the situation and started a joint venture with former archrival Panasonic.

This said, Sony should moneyhat, if necessary, Capcom for a Monster Hunter main title on PSV, maybe preceded by an appetizing MH port to avoid wasting the main title when HW base is still too small.

 

oni-link said:
VGKing said:

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Vita is not bleeding money. If anything, Sony is making a small loss on each Vita. I'd say it'll be profitable by next Christmas at $250. 

Far from it, since Kaz himself says that it will take 3 years b4 Vita will be profitable; but that's another matter.  I really think Vita should sell 5 mil before Christmas day; especially seeing all the resources Sony has thrown for the system this year.

You are talking about two different things: stopping selling at a loss, that already happened, and recovering the initial losses, that can only happen later, obviously, but that if you stop selling when sales become profitable, can NEVER happen. Once the product stops selling at a loss, keeping on selling it as long as it's possible and viable is the only way to recover losses or at least reduce them.

 

I don't take much stock in BoM and neither should you!!! The 3DS was given a BoM around $100 when it first released and was bleeding money when the price was cut to $170(it started profiting 5 months after that); showing BoM is not what it's cracked up to be.  What we do know is that Kaz himself said that the Vita hardware won't be profitable until 3 years after that (when it had better software expectations it could be longer now).  That's the official announcement and until Kaz or any high ranking Sony official says otherwise should be authentic statement (not some neogaf poster). 



CCFanboy said:
I think it will sell 5 million by christmas but unless it really picks up and flies off the shelves before the end of march it just won't be financially viable for sony to continue it. Next year people will be too busy hyping new consoles to even think about vita.

Hey VGKing I guess you are in the minority about the Vita's future viability.



RolStoppable said:
The way it's trending right now, it has basically no chance to hit 5m by the end of this year. Its state in Japan is catastrophic (Atelier Totori and AKBsomething are the "big" games) and it isn't the system to buy anywhere else in the world either. The current bundles and prices will persuade some potential buyers, but it doesn't help that Sony is advertising AC and CoD as "console gaming on the go", because that's just asking for comparisons that will make the Vita look bad.

4m should definitely be doable, unless the system sees a total collapse in all three regions. But whether it's 4m or 5m in the end, neither number will be a good result. Vita doom will continue to be one of the main topics on VGC for the foreseeable future.


best analysis in this thread so far...great job Rol!!