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What are you? | |||
Atheist/Agnostic | 64 | 50.00% | |
Christian | 46 | 35.94% | |
Satanist | 11 | 8.59% | |
After this thread not sure | 7 | 5.47% | |
Total: | 128 |
ninetailschris said:
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I'm sorry but could you clean that post up a bit before I read it? It's far too messy to be woth the effort atm.
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TheEvilBanana said:
I meant to say BASIC math, english and science. Eventually english rules become useless. It does not matter if you use the right then/than, they're/their/there, spell things wrong, as long as people understand you. Math is pretty useless beyond addition, multiplication, division, subtraction, and fractions and percents. I could of stopped learning english and math in 6th grade and been just fine. |
To deny the acquistion of knowledge only proves you have much to learn in life, or feel its best to lower the bar and/or settle for mediocrity.
So these are qualities of Satan worshippers.......ya some faith you got here buddy.
kaneada said:
Mindless engaging? If the point of Satanism is to achieve self awareness and personal excellence then nothing you do is mindless...There is a difference between induldgence and compulsion. What you're describing is compulsive behavior. |
Self-improvement doesn't come in, in indulging every impulse and desire one has. Self-improvement comes through denial of some things, delaying gratification, and then working towards something larger. It means making base desires subservient to things greater. And the excellence needs to be recognized by others, not in a way that is people pleasing, and mere image, but has character.
I will say that you have touched on something here though. It can be hard to tell when engaging in indulgences isn't a compulsion. Strong desires compel people to do things. Now, to end up intellectually managing it, and engaging in the proper time, can violate this. But, I was operating under the presumption that LaVey Satanism was opposed to Christian principles, so thus it would speak of engaging in indulgences now, and whenever, rather than practicing restraint, and aspiring for greater, beyond one's self. If it doesn't do this, then I fail to see the actual difference, unless LeVay's Satanism is actually opposed to a faux image of real Christianity.
DiscussionTime said:
You are mocking Christianity. Your appearance and lifestyle just screams counter-culture. |
Mr Kahn, you are off base with LeVayan Satanism...The term Satan in Hebrew actually means challenger or adversary....that term is used only because the beliefs entailed challenge the status quo of thought. There is no mockery of any traditional religions, unless you consider that we disagree with SOME values in Christianity. I would go so far as to say the average Chrisitian spends more time mocking other philosphical beliefs than any Satanist does...I certainly never do.
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richardhutnik said:
Self-improvement doesn't come in, in indulging every impulse and desire one has. Self-improvement comes through denial of some things, delaying gratification, and then working towards something larger. It means making base desires subservient to things greater. And the excellence needs to be recognized by others, not in a way that is people pleasing, and mere image, but has character. I will say that you have touched on something here though. It can be hard to tell when engaging in indulgences isn't a compulsion. Strong desires compel people to do things. Now, to end up intellectually managing it, and engaging in the proper time, can violate this. But, I was operating under the presumption that LaVey Satanism was opposed to Christian principles, so thus it would speak of engaging in indulgences now, and whenever, rather than practicing restraint, and aspiring for greater, beyond one's self. If it doesn't do this, then I fail to see the actual difference, unless LeVay's Satanism is actually opposed to a faux image of real Christianity. |
I disagree with several statements you've made; however, I don't think I am qualifying what an iduldgence is and what that means in Satanism very well, so allow me to try. It is "our" belief that Christianity teaches people to deny their emotional spectrum, to deny things such as desire, anger, pleasure, many of which lead to experiences that we believe are necessary to leading a gratifying life. Chrisitianity views certain carnal behaviors as impure with an exception of certain pre-defined conditions as defined in the Bible. We believe that those things should be indudged, but be indulged responsiblity hence to avoid the extreme of compulsive behavior.
We hold the contention that personal excellence is owed to the self, that the only person it must gratify is ourselves, whether it be an artistic endeavour, career growth, card collecting, whatever suits us. While you touch on a point very accurately, that sometimes there is little line between induldgence and compulsion, that is what we as Satanists aim to clairfy for ourselves, to better be aware of who we are as people, which in our view leads to self mastery. Once again, a Satanist doesn't view their beliefs as a religion, we don't pray to or worship any God, we are at heart athiest objectivists, but we view the idea of Satan as a representation of humanity as a carnal, materialistic being, that should be celebrated.
In some respects you're right, there are many views between Satanism and Chrisitianity that are similar, not everything is diametrically opposed. While we believe in touching on what some might call negative emotions, we also celebrate the idea's of love and togetherness. We do reject the Christian relgion as a false account of history, it doesn't mean we don't share some values with the core philosophy behind it. LaVey was against the parts of Christianity that asked that people denied aspects of themselves because they are viewed as negative human traits. However, there is not such thing as a Satanist that hadn't come to those conclusions before they were aware of Satanism. LaVey touched on something in his philosophy that all of us knew through our own observations to be true. I didn't read the Satantic Bible and get some nifty new idea's, I read something that resonated with my understanding of the world long before I was aware of its existence.
That being said the principle's of Satanism will only make sense to a certain subset of people, to anyone else it will seem like scary hocus pocus from a bunch of kooks that wish to trash everything that we as people of planet Earth find sacrisanct. I'm not advocating anything here, but there is plenty of interviews and books available that you may find helps you better understand our view of the world. It's completely up to you...if you want an objective view try the material on religious tolerance http://www.religioustolerance.org/
Edit: Last thing to consider is that Satanism is not a concrete set of rules, people who are Satanic interpret the beliefs different so don't be suprised if another LeVayan Satanist has another way of viewing those princples...
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TheEvilBanana said:
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NolSinkler is right.
If all sins can be forgiven, then ALL can be forgiven. Every sin is an offence to the Holy Spirit. That`s what separates you at first, from God. But what keeps you in that separation is the lack of repentance. No repentance means no forgiveness, as in, eternal damnation.
So, even you can be forgiven if you repent.
Speaking of sins and bad karma, i`ll tell you just this. In an apparition by Jesus to Saint Faustina, she asked her how did He tolerated so many offenses and sins. His answer was that He had eternity to punish, but now was the time for mercy.
Don`t think that there isn`t punishment yet think that there is reward. Believe me, every sin or good deed will have their consequences, be they good or bad. If you side with the devil the consequences will be very bad for you.
kaneada said: I disagree with several statements you've made; however, I don't think I am qualifying what an iduldgence is and what that means in Satanism very well, so allow me to try. It is "our" belief that Christianity teaches people to deny their emotional spectrum, to deny things such as desire, anger, pleasure, many of which lead to experiences that we believe are necessary to leading a gratifying life. Chrisitianity views certain carnal behaviors as impure with an exception of certain pre-defined conditions as defined in the Bible. We believe that those things should be indudged, but be indulged responsiblity hence to avoid the extreme of compulsive behavior. |
I would have to say that Christianity doesn't speak of denying emotional spectrum, just not having elements of it run amok, or got to an extreme. It speaks of not dwelling in some emotions. Lust and anger are two, as would envy and others. Such emotions can destroy a person, and others, if lived in. Anger ruins relationships and one's health. Lust ends up causing one to act in the wrong time, and overextend or get tied up. Envy destroys discontentment. There is speaking of states to dwell in and others to move from. There is also talk of moving out of fear to. Any emotion you see in the Bible mentioned as avoiding, is done because of the downside. It isn't a matter of never experiencing it, but moving from them, when one can. Every emotion laid out ends up having lots of downside, with little good. With every one laid out as having harm, there are alternatives that work superior for people. And not just the individual, but others the individual relates with. The goal is redemption, not some sort of end in things for oneself.
KungKras said:
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One word.
Ipad if you have one you would understand why this happen.
"Excuse me sir, I see you have a weapon. Why don't you put it down and let's settle this like gentlemen" ~ max