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Argh_College on 12 November 2012
dahuman said:
Argh_College said:
I will pay for Xbox Live forever! Best service ever imo.

Halo 4 is a black on Live.


Steam, free, does everything XBL does and much more.

Not sure where Halo 4 came from but it's a pretty good game for sure.

i agree Steam prices and promotions are way better...

all the rest from interface to messaging etc XBL FTW



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dahuman on 12 November 2012
Jazz2K said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Jazz2K said:
Lol this guy is clearly biased agains't anything MS... he doesn't speak for gamers and he's full of himself. The moment he says his Kinect registered what his girlfriend told him resulting in the game going in another direction is BS.

He also said that you shouldn't be paying for gold because of all those adds... lol, anyone complaining about the "multiple" adds on the dashboard clearly don't know what they're talking about as there are very few of them and 99% of them are movies, games, or something related to Xbox... realyy...

Pachter did a good job calling him a little whiny gamer... and that beared dud makes more sense and show more maturity... that Marcu Beer looks more like a bitter Sony fan than a real gamer.

your post only shows you didnt know the guy, watch invisible walls and annoyed gamer and you wil see he is not a fanboy of anything and not a microsoft hater.

 


You're right I don't know the guy. But after this bonus round, I don't think he knows what he's talking about...

You know, I've always hated the idea that you say a few bad things about a company and all of a sudden you MUST BE a fanboy of another company, this was a MS discussion, so they talked about it. I have a huge distaste for XBL myself and BTW Kinect works much better on a PC, but does that mean I automatically only love Sony or only love Nintendo? Fuck no! There are 2 sides to take, not some dumb ass fanboy oh I love you MS/Sony/Nintendo side, you are either on the side of us consumers, or you work for that corporation in question. Video games is not essential to our lives, it's a hobby at best, the power of us consumers can choose what they want, and if they want to pay for XBL, great, go do it, I'm never paying for it again per choice, not because other companies are better.



DanneSandin on 12 November 2012
kain_kusanagi said:
DanneSandin said:
I think it's such a stupid concept of having to pay to play online. Take CoD or Halo for example. You pay 50 bucks to be able to play the SINGLE PLAYER CAMPAIGN. That's it. You buy full price for a game and only get half of the content. People are pissed off on Capcom for adding DLC on the disc? this is waaay worse. To be able to play the full game you have to pay to get online. Sucks ass.


I agree that, as a gamer, XBLA should be free. But that's because I'm a cheap bastard who doesn't even like paying full price for the best games. However you can enjoy all the multiplayer without paying for XBLA. All you need are real life friends willing to come over and play split screen or LAN. So if youbreak Halo 4 down into its most basic pieces it would be Campaign, Online Multiplayer, Local Multiplayer. Which would mean that you pay for two thirds of the game and then have to pay for the last third. But as far as content on the disc, you can use all 100% offline.

It doesn't work like that. Local multiplayer is Nintendo's turf ;)



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S.T.A.G.E. on 12 November 2012
kain_kusanagi said:
DanneSandin said:
I think it's such a stupid concept of having to pay to play online. Take CoD or Halo for example. You pay 50 bucks to be able to play the SINGLE PLAYER CAMPAIGN. That's it. You buy full price for a game and only get half of the content. People are pissed off on Capcom for adding DLC on the disc? this is waaay worse. To be able to play the full game you have to pay to get online. Sucks ass.


I agree that, as a gamer, XBLA should be free. But that's because I'm a cheap bastard who doesn't even like paying full price for the best games. However you can enjoy all the multiplayer without paying for XBLA. All you need are real life friends willing to come over and play split screen or LAN. So if youbreak Halo 4 down into its most basic pieces it would be Campaign, Online Multiplayer, Local Multiplayer. Which would mean that you pay for two thirds of the game and then have to pay for the last third. But as far as content on the disc, you can use all 100% offline.

On the topic of paying for XBLA. I do wish it was free. Like I said I'm cheap and wish everything was free. But since it's not I don't think the price of a year of XBLA is too much. I buy my year subscriptions on Amazon.com when it's on sale for $35. That's comes out to about $2.91 a month. Even for someone as cheap as me can't say that $2.91 is enough to get upset about.


Dude the concept of online was a free concept until Microsoft came in. Don't call yourself cheap for wanting online to be free like it always was. Microsoft broke even on Xbox Live Gold within their first year of the Xbox 360 coming out. PC gamers didnt want to pay them for Windows Live, so does that make them cheap? No. Microsoft knows they can't force them so they just left it to their closed format console where they can charge.



dahuman on 12 November 2012
Argh_College said:
dahuman said:
Argh_College said:
I will pay for Xbox Live forever! Best service ever imo.

Halo 4 is a black on Live.


Steam, free, does everything XBL does and much more.

Not sure where Halo 4 came from but it's a pretty good game for sure.

i agree Steam prices and promotions are way better...

all the rest from interface to messaging etc XBL FTW


When was the last time you actually used steam? All you have to do is shift-tab ingame and you get instant access to your friend list, IM, a web broswer and all that jazz, and you can start voice chat super fast with anybody. You can't argue on any point that XBL is better than Steam, there is 0 case here, it's not a contest, because there is no need for one in this case.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 12 November 2012
thranx said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
thranx said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
thranx said:
I think patcher countered hime very well. They both brought up good points, but what Patcher said is true and that is why xbox live is still such a success with some of the flaws that hardcore gamers do not like. I personally don mind the ads as they dont stop me from doing anything(they stop and play videos i can't stop or anything like that they are just there) and sometimes (not very often) i see something usefull in them. I have never watch bonus round before, a good show. PNever really seen patcher speak either for all the flak he gets I think he does well. Yea is more business than gamer, but he brings up valid points.


I agreed with pachter on the ads part, but again Microsoft doesn't need them because as Pachter said they broke even on Xbox Live after 2-3 million users. Xbox Live is a constant surplus for Microsoft and still they call it premium. Those ads are just excess money in their pockets. All I can say is rape.


Most ads i see are for games and movies and music. But i'm not really on the dash that much. Its not rape for a company to make a profit. Its normal. If they dont make the profit on xbox live they will try to make it eleware. I do not see profit as a bad thing as long as i am getting what i want and pay for, which i do from live.


I dont see the difference between live and PSN to tell you the truth, but whatever you see in it, enjoy it my friend.

There isn't much difference now. The main thing i like is the unified match making system. But sony would not have improved psn if ms didn't force them by having a better online experience earlier on in this gen, and ms wouldn't have had the better online experience without the monthly subs.


Microsoft broke even on Xbox Live in the first year it came out, give or take according to pachter as he cited 2-3 million Xbox Live owners was the even count. It wouldn't matter to me if Sony kept PSN free with ads to subsidize the status quo. What is Microsoft doing with all this profit they've been making off of XBox Live for the past six (nearly seven) years after launch? You're completely right, Microsoft taught Sony how to make online properly. Sony is learning and at this point next gen is going to be extremely close in online. I believe the growth of PSN Plus will play a part in future success next gen as it grows into a larger entity, much like Xbox Live did last gen.



S.T.A.G.E. on 12 November 2012
Argh_College said:
dahuman said:
Argh_College said:
I will pay for Xbox Live forever! Best service ever imo.

Halo 4 is a black on Live.


Steam, free, does everything XBL does and much more.

Not sure where Halo 4 came from but it's a pretty good game for sure.

i agree Steam prices and promotions are way better...

all the rest from interface to messaging etc XBL FTW


? Have you been using Steam? The interface on Steam is vastly more user friendly. It uses tabs instead of scrolling, making finding your options easier, but then again thats always a PC advantage. Xbox Live and PSN are prettier to look at though, but then again I don't think that matters.



kain_kusanagi on 12 November 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kain_kusanagi said:
DanneSandin said:
I think it's such a stupid concept of having to pay to play online. Take CoD or Halo for example. You pay 50 bucks to be able to play the SINGLE PLAYER CAMPAIGN. That's it. You buy full price for a game and only get half of the content. People are pissed off on Capcom for adding DLC on the disc? this is waaay worse. To be able to play the full game you have to pay to get online. Sucks ass.


I agree that, as a gamer, XBLA should be free. But that's because I'm a cheap bastard who doesn't even like paying full price for the best games. However you can enjoy all the multiplayer without paying for XBLA. All you need are real life friends willing to come over and play split screen or LAN. So if youbreak Halo 4 down into its most basic pieces it would be Campaign, Online Multiplayer, Local Multiplayer. Which would mean that you pay for two thirds of the game and then have to pay for the last third. But as far as content on the disc, you can use all 100% offline.

On the topic of paying for XBLA. I do wish it was free. Like I said I'm cheap and wish everything was free. But since it's not I don't think the price of a year of XBLA is too much. I buy my year subscriptions on Amazon.com when it's on sale for $35. That's comes out to about $2.91 a month. Even for someone as cheap as me can't say that $2.91 is enough to get upset about.


Dude the concept of online was a free concept until Microsoft came in. Don't call yourself cheap for wanting online to be free like it always was. Microsoft broke even on Xbox Live Gold within their first year of the Xbox 360 coming out. PC gamers didnt want to pay them for Windows Live, so does that make them cheap? No. Microsoft knows they can't force them so they just left it to their closed format console where they can charge.

You are 100% right. But $2.91 a month isn't sending me to the poor house. I probably drop 10 or 20 times that in donation and tip jars each month.

I use XBL Gold so rarely it's actualy kind of stupid that I bother to pay for it. I just don't play online games, except on very rare occasions. But $35 a year is so little that I go ahead and buy it when Amazon.com has the deal. I do feel like a sucker, but I probably lose more than $35 a year in change and don't even notice it.

I'm not saying I'm cheap for wanting XBL free. I'm saying I'm cheap and wish everything was free, but despite that, I'm not overly bothered by the fee.



thranx on 12 November 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
thranx said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
thranx said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
thranx said:
I think patcher countered hime very well. They both brought up good points, but what Patcher said is true and that is why xbox live is still such a success with some of the flaws that hardcore gamers do not like. I personally don mind the ads as they dont stop me from doing anything(they stop and play videos i can't stop or anything like that they are just there) and sometimes (not very often) i see something usefull in them. I have never watch bonus round before, a good show. PNever really seen patcher speak either for all the flak he gets I think he does well. Yea is more business than gamer, but he brings up valid points.


I agreed with pachter on the ads part, but again Microsoft doesn't need them because as Pachter said they broke even on Xbox Live after 2-3 million users. Xbox Live is a constant surplus for Microsoft and still they call it premium. Those ads are just excess money in their pockets. All I can say is rape.


Most ads i see are for games and movies and music. But i'm not really on the dash that much. Its not rape for a company to make a profit. Its normal. If they dont make the profit on xbox live they will try to make it eleware. I do not see profit as a bad thing as long as i am getting what i want and pay for, which i do from live.


I dont see the difference between live and PSN to tell you the truth, but whatever you see in it, enjoy it my friend.

There isn't much difference now. The main thing i like is the unified match making system. But sony would not have improved psn if ms didn't force them by having a better online experience earlier on in this gen, and ms wouldn't have had the better online experience without the monthly subs.


Microsoft broke even on Xbox Live in the first year it came out, give or take according to pachter as he cited 2-3 million Xbox Live owners was the even count. It wouldn't matter to me if Sony kept PSN free with ads to subsidize the status quo. What is Microsoft doing with all this profit they've been making off of XBox Live for the past six (nearly seven) years after launch? You're completely right, Microsoft taught Sony how to make online properly. Sony is learning and at this point next gen is going to be extremely close in online. I believe the growth of PSN Plus will play a part in future success next gen as it grows into a larger entity, much like Xbox Live did last gen.


it doesn't matter what they do with their profit. Like i said i dont hate companies for making a profit nor do i feel entitled to their profits(this is the exact behavior pathcer was talking about in the video). They offered a service at a a price i agree with and that i like that is all. if i didn't want to pay for it i could always go to sony or nintendo or pc(i do play most on pc already). But xbox live is a service that suits what i like and is a good price for me. I will most likely enjoy it on the next console too.



DirtyP2002 on 12 November 2012
dahuman said:
Argh_College said:
I will pay for Xbox Live forever! Best service ever imo.

Halo 4 is a black on Live.


Steam, free, does everything XBL does and much more.

Not sure where Halo 4 came from but it's a pretty good game for sure.


Gaming on steam is a pain in the *** comapred to XBL.

It does less actually. Well it does more if you count hackers / cheaters, but less if you count features. It has good deals every now and then, but that is it.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...