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ninetailschris on 12 November 2012
TruckOSaurus said:
JoeTheBro said:

So if SMB is better, does that make LBP better than LBP?

If Super Mario Bros. 3 had the controls shown in this video, Nintendo would be out of business today.


Wow that was hard watch.... damn a gameboy game has better physics than that. As look how glitchz that was.... I could go on but... I will not.



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Jay520 on 12 November 2012
happydolphin said:

It's when he said (paraphrased) that a higher metacritic score makes LBP an objectively better game than NSMB that led to it imho.

 

I like what you're trying to do, but I'm also happy people reacted to a claim like that. And I'll also agree with Bananaking that sales =/= quality. That is a fact, as many games of lesser quality have sold better than games that have taken years to make. Sales is a measure of popularity, not quality. If a president is elected, does that make him the best? No, it makes him the most popular.


I admit BK could have worded his post better (or not, depending on his point), but I think the people who responded were much worse.

You should know that BK didn't originally use Metacritic to support his point. His original post was just answering the OP with this:

 "its because Sony has a superior 2D platforming game, its called littlebigplanet" 

If this post is bad, then the responses were evil by comparison. Just re-read the first few pages. He got hit with several belittling and mocking posts, calling him laughable, leaving condescending gifs as if he isn't worth being taken seriously, etc. No respect

Also, Samuship was the first to claim Mario was the superior game. So of course, Bananaking had to use reviews (which he later edited in his first post) to contrast the sales argument.

 



Play4Fun on 12 November 2012
pezus said:
DanneSandin said:
fighter said:
RolStoppable said:

And with this the debate is over. A platformer that doesn't even have standard enemies shouldn't be compared to the golden standard in the genre.

so that is why LBP is better than Mario : imagination

But for everyone lacking imagination Mario is better...? ;)

You could say that. It's a well known fact the majority lack proper imagination. Only a few have the imagination to create wonderful things. This is why Mario sells more

You serious?



amp316 on 12 November 2012
Play4Fun said:
pezus said:
DanneSandin said:
fighter said:
RolStoppable said:

And with this the debate is over. A platformer that doesn't even have standard enemies shouldn't be compared to the golden standard in the genre.

so that is why LBP is better than Mario : imagination

But for everyone lacking imagination Mario is better...? ;)

You could say that. It's a well known fact the majority lack proper imagination. Only a few have the imagination to create wonderful things. This is why Mario sells more

You serious?

I don't know how I missed this.  Mario fans lack imagination.  

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Jay520 on 12 November 2012
Faxanadu said:
@Jay520: I am talking about Crash Bandicoot, Jak & Daxter etc. Platformers that directly aimed at SMB in the past.


I'm no mario expert, but SMB has always been a 2D platformer.

You seem to be talking about 3D platformers like Super Mario 64, Sunshine, and Galaxy, which aren't the focus of the thread. In any case though, how did Crash Bandicoot fail? Crash has always sold 6-7 million (not too much lower than 3D Mario games). 

As for Jak & Daxter, how can you say that's directly aimed at Mario, which it's a mix between shooting, platforming, driving, etc. The only similarities it has with Mario is it's cartoonish look (which many games had back then), and the fact that it had platforming (again, a common occurence). Are those sole similarities enough to say it was directly aimed at Mario. Are all 3D cartoonish platformers directly aimed at Mario?



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DanneSandin on 12 November 2012
JustThatGamer said:
You people pathetically arguing about what game's better is just embarrassing. There is no way to determine what is the better game, not Metascores, not awards, not sales, not being described by critics as 'the best game ever'... Nothing.

We're all on Vgchartz because we are gamers, we love to play the games we love, so why must some people be so obnoxious and argumentative all the time instead of respecting other peoples opinions. This started because one person said they prefer LBP to Mario, even if he is oblivious to the fact Metascores are averages based on opinions not facts he didn't even troll Mario, so why did people start mocking him with stupid GIFs and start a weak and needless argument claiming sales = quality or that LBP is a new franchise so somehow can't compare etc, nonsense.

This community is one of the worst I've come across on the internet with a few exceptions, everything is always negative, a competition or needless/uninteresting arguments and there's a lot of trolls who just say the most ridiculous things. Most of you are close-minded and ignorant but thankfully there's a minority of decent users on here. I don't even know why I bother coming to a site with such a horrible community since the sales analysis accuracy has taken a tumble recently and tools for us to use to analyse sales have been removed so there's really no reason to come back. I guess I will only check out threads that really interest me and try my hardest to never socialise with any of you directly so never expect a reply from me.

And calling people pathetic isn't... pathetic?



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JoeTheBro on 12 November 2012
JustThatGamer said:
You people pathetically arguing about what game's better is just embarrassing. There is no way to determine what is the better game, not Metascores, not awards, not sales, not being described by critics as 'the best game ever'... Nothing.

We're all on Vgchartz because we are gamers, we love to play the games we love, so why must some people be so obnoxious and argumentative all the time instead of respecting other peoples opinions. This started because one person said they prefer LBP to Mario, even if he is oblivious to the fact Metascores are averages based on opinions not facts he didn't even troll Mario, so why did people start mocking him with stupid GIFs and start a weak and needless argument claiming sales = quality or that LBP is a new franchise so somehow can't compare etc, nonsense.

This community is one of the worst I've come across on the internet with a few exceptions, everything is always negative, a competition or needless/uninteresting arguments and there's a lot of trolls who just say the most ridiculous things. Most of you are close-minded and ignorant but thankfully there's a minority of decent users on here. I don't even know why I bother coming to a site with such a horrible community since the sales analysis accuracy has taken a tumble recently and tools for us to use to analyse sales have been removed so there's really no reason to come back. I guess I will only check out threads that really interest me and try my hardest to never socialise with any of you directly so never expect a reply from me.

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NolSinkler on 12 November 2012

Little Big Planet is not good. I tried it with a child. The child could not figure the game out because it was too complicated.

Mario games have NEVER been to complicated for a child.

We spent like an hour going through this awful tutorial. There was no jumping. It was stupid. It was not fun. Man, you turn on a great platformer like Sonic the Hedgehog 2 and you are instantly in the action. This game, not so much.

This game was terrible. It is no Mario.



Jay520 on 12 November 2012
DanneSandin said:
JustThatGamer said:
You people pathetically arguing about what game's better is just embarrassing. 

And calling people pathetic isn't... pathetic?


He called no one pathetic. He's saying the manner of which some are 'arguing' is pathetic.



DanneSandin on 12 November 2012
bananaking21 said:
DanneSandin said:
bananaking21 said:

where did i say SMB wasnt a better game in reviews opinion? im just saying that doesnt matter now, as that game is now 30 years old and doesnt matter (to sony or nintendo) because it doesnt sell systems. the games that sell systems are the games that are coming out now, thats what i was saying.thats why i was comparing the newer games. what matters is what is coming out now. if you must know in my opinion i prefer super mario land on the snes more than LBP, i cant honestly say that that is an objective choice as my memories of super mario land are filled with nostalgia, its probably the first video game i ever played (cant remember i been playing for literally as long as i remember) and i havent played the game for over 15 years. i would have to play the game again. i cant give an objective opinion on which game is better because of that reason. i have to play mario again and only then can i give my personal opinion

When you said that LBP was superior and started to list metacritic scores to back up this claim. If that's not insinuating that LBP is better then I don't know what is! It doesn't matter to the OP, but it DOES matter to your statement that LBP is superior to Super Mario Bros - which it isn't, and even YOU are now opening up to the possibility that SMB is better with the first sentence in your last reply (seen above).

Even if we look past this superior game compared to LBP, what you are saying is that; sales matters. "the games that sell systems are the games that are coming out now, thats what i was saying.thats why i was comparing the newer games. what matters is what is coming out now"<---- your words. And by this statement we can logically assume that sales matters. NSMB sold more than all of LBP games put together. It's therefore superior.

ok please listen to what im saying, in the past couple of generations LBP has been superior and the reasons i say this is based on what i have been saying all along and i wont repeat them again. Metacritic scores made by professional reviewers?

as for what i said about the first SMB, to reviewers it might be a better game than littlebigplanet yes.Which should mean that SMB is in fact superior to LBP, since you are using professional review scores to back up your claim that LBP would be better.

but thats one game in one franchise after all, And many reviewers feel that either of SMB3 or SMW is in fact better than SMB, which should make them superior to LBP as well?

secondly when i said it matters i clearly said to nintendo and sony and i never said that sales matter to detrmine the quality of a game. i also said whats coming out now is what matters to again, sony and nintendo because because these games are what people are buying now, not a 30 year old game. also i clearly said the sales matter only to sony and nintendo, not to the gamer or the quality of the game, you misunderstood me. I see your point





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