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Player2 on 12 November 2012
ferox said:
LBP who's primary goal was to clone Mario in it's level editors.
JoeTheBro said:

So if SMB is better, does that make LBP better than LBP?

Two minutes between those two posts. This must be some sort of world record.



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happydolphin on 12 November 2012
Jay520 said:
Mr Khan said:

DanneSandin illustrated it better. Bananaking is being deliberately obtuse. He could have said "i thought LBP was better," and then this thread would be half as long, if that.


I don't understand that. Why should people have to confirm that their opinion is....their opinion. If someone says blue is better than red, then it's obviously known that they're not speaking objectively, they're giving their opinion. If you give a statement that's obviously subjective, then it's pretty redundant to have to say "imo" or "i think."

But really though, my problem is really with the way he was responded to earlier in this thread. I don't have a problem with the debate honestly, no matter how silly I think it is; it's moreso his treatment in the first few pages that struck a nerve with me.

It's when he said (paraphrased) that a higher metacritic score makes LBP an objectively better game than NSMB that led to it imho.

 

I like what you're trying to do, but I'm also happy people reacted to a claim like that. And I'll also agree with Bananaking that sales =/= quality. That is a fact, as many games of lesser quality have sold better than games that have taken years to make. Sales is a measure of popularity, not quality. If a president is elected, does that make him the best? No, it makes him the most popular.



Jay520 on 12 November 2012
Faxanadu said:
OT: they have tried multiple times but failed ever so often with making a Platformer that could compete with SMB. Therefore, they now go after the third fiddle (of the Mario game franchises).


How many 2D platformers has sony made? (honest question)



JustThatGamer on 12 November 2012

You people pathetically arguing about what game's better is just embarrassing. There is no way to determine what is the better game, not Metascores, not awards, not sales, not being described by critics as 'the best game ever'... Nothing.

We're all on Vgchartz because we are gamers, we love to play the games we love, so why must some people be so obnoxious and argumentative all the time instead of respecting other peoples opinions. This started because one person said they prefer LBP to Mario, even if he is oblivious to the fact Metascores are averages based on opinions not facts he didn't even troll Mario, so why did people start mocking him with stupid GIFs and start a weak and needless argument claiming sales = quality or that LBP is a new franchise so somehow can't compare etc, nonsense.

This community is one of the worst I've come across on the internet with a few exceptions, everything is always negative, a competition or needless/uninteresting arguments and there's a lot of trolls who just say the most ridiculous things. Most of you are close-minded and ignorant but thankfully there's a minority of decent users on here. I don't even know why I bother coming to a site with such a horrible community since the sales analysis accuracy has taken a tumble recently and tools for us to use to analyse sales have been removed so there's really no reason to come back. I guess I will only check out threads that really interest me and try my hardest to never socialise with any of you directly so never expect a reply from me.



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TruckOSaurus on 12 November 2012
JoeTheBro said:

So if SMB is better, does that make LBP better than LBP?

If Super Mario Bros. 3 had the controls shown in this video, Nintendo would be out of business today.



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superchunk on 12 November 2012
bananaking21 said:

its because Sony has a superior 2D platforming game, its called littlebigplanet

(bunch of cherry picked meta reviews)

 


Rewiew scores are a bad sentiment to base on.

I owned LBP 1 and 2. While my kids (8 and 9) did like the games the content was crap. They beat the story line in less than a day and simply continued to play in the user created worlds off and on for quite a while.

It took them weeks or longer to beat NSMB (Wii or DS version).

LBP is less about platforming and more about creating your own level. Kinda why people like Legos or Mega Blocks.

2D SMB is perfection when it comes to platforming and its a reason it destroys sales records and longevity over and over again.

OT: Sony's attempt at 2D platforming was LBP and it has been overall successful. Probably more than their karting or this fighting game.



ps3-sales! on 12 November 2012

Obvious Nintendotroll is obvious.

 

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Faxanadu on 12 November 2012

@Jay520: I am talking about Crash Bandicoot, Jak & Daxter etc. Platformers that directly aimed at SMB in the past.



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fighter on 12 November 2012
happydolphin said:
Jay520 said:
Mr Khan said:

DanneSandin illustrated it better. Bananaking is being deliberately obtuse. He could have said "i thought LBP was better," and then this thread would be half as long, if that.


I don't understand that. Why should people have to confirm that their opinion is....their opinion. If someone says blue is better than red, then it's obviously known that they're not speaking objectively, they're giving their opinion. If you give a statement that's obviously subjective, then it's pretty redundant to have to say "imo" or "i think."

But really though, my problem is really with the way he was responded to earlier in this thread. I don't have a problem with the debate honestly, no matter how silly I think it is; it's moreso his treatment in the first few pages that struck a nerve with me.

It's when he said (paraphrased) that a higher metacritic score makes LBP an objectively better game than NSMB that led to it imho.

 

I like what you're trying to do, but I'm also happy people reacted to a claim like that. And I'll also agree with Bananaking that sales =/= quality. That is a fact, as many games of lesser quality have sold better than games that have taken years to make. Sales is a measure of popularity, not quality. If a president is elected, does that make him the best? No, it makes him the most popular.


of course metacritics are a better indicator than sales regarding quality (obvious statement is obvious)

then you have to know that reviewers can give a higher or lower mark to a game in order to compare it to it's predecessor - which is the hard part for Mario

Any developper can multiply the features around the core gameplay (and LBP did very well there thus the high praise) but very few are able to constantly push the gameplay formula systematically and after 30 years and this is why reviewers would aknowledge Mario as the best platformer gameplaywise, even best game ever, despite giving it a lower than 9/10 score



bananaking21 on 12 November 2012
DanneSandin said:
bananaking21 said:
DanneSandin said:
bananaking21 said:
fighter said:
DanneSandin said:
 

 

Recognise yourself much?

I have provided proof that the established game industry as a whole still thinks that SMB is a superior game compared to almost everything. In other words: game journalists thinks that SMB, a 30 year old game, is better than LBP. SMB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LBP. It doesn't matter how old the game is. After 30 years it is still superior to LBP. Fact. Logic.


i second that

please dont try to insult or offend me as i have not insulted or offended anyone in this thread. i would like to point out though that you are clearly just trying to prove that SMB is better then LBP, while my responses where to argue the point i made out while REPLYING TO THE OP. even if the SMB  franchise was better 30 years ago in professionals perception in the time being it is not. LBP has the upper hand and that is why sony didnt make another 2D platforming game, that is the simple answer to the OP's question

If I insulted you, I am sorry. It's just frustrating that you won't acknowledge the fact that professionals STILL thinks that SMB is the better game. With the links I gave you it's painfully clear that professionals still thinks that that game is better/superior to LBP. It's never gonna change. Just admit that it's YOUR opinion that LBP is superior, because I have showed you that the professionals thinks that SMB is better, even though 30 years have past. In 30 more years SMB will still be better thab LBP. You're avoiding what logic and facts I provide, and therefore I post a brick wall.

where did i say SMB wasnt a better game in reviews opinion? im just saying that doesnt matter now, as that game is now 30 years old and doesnt matter (to sony or nintendo) because it doesnt sell systems. the games that sell systems are the games that are coming out now, thats what i was saying.thats why i was comparing the newer games. what matters is what is coming out now. if you must know in my opinion i prefer super mario land on the snes more than LBP, i cant honestly say that that is an objective choice as my memories of super mario land are filled with nostalgia, its probably the first video game i ever played (cant remember i been playing for literally as long as i remember) and i havent played the game for over 15 years. i would have to play the game again. i cant give an objective opinion on which game is better because of that reason. i have to play mario again and only then can i give my personal opinion

When you said that LBP was superior and started to list metacritic scores to back up this claim. If that's not insinuating that LBP is better then I don't know what is! It doesn't matter to the OP, but it DOES matter to your statement that LBP is superior to Super Mario Bros - which it isn't, and even YOU are now opening up to the possibility that SMB is better with the first sentence in your last reply (seen above).

Even if we look past this superior game compared to LBP, what you are saying is that; sales matters. "the games that sell systems are the games that are coming out now, thats what i was saying.thats why i was comparing the newer games. what matters is what is coming out now"<---- your words. And by this statement we can logically assume that sales matters. NSMB sold more than all of LBP games put together. It's therefore superior.

ok please listen to what im saying, in the past couple of generations LBP has been superior and the reasons i say this is based on what i have been saying all along and i wont repeat them again. as for what i said about the first SMB, to reviewers it might be a better game than littlebigplanet yes. but thats one game in one franchise after all, secondly when i said it matters i clearly said to nintendo and sony and i never said that sales matter to detrmine the quality of a game. i also said whats coming out now is what matters to again, sony and nintendo because because these games are what people are buying now, not a 30 year old game. also i clearly said the sales matter only to sony and nintendo, not to the gamer or the quality of the game, you misunderstood me