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DanneSandin said:
If Sony and Microsoft is launching new systems next year (which they should do) they need the gamez. We all know that games sell systems, and as it's looking right now we can't count on S&M's BIGGEST franchises to make it to launch. I'm pretty sure that SOME system seller will be there, but I don't think we'll be seeing the Big Guns until 2014. And with Wii U having a years head start S&M better have something else to lure gamers besides games to their consoles. And I don't think it'll be much better graphics than Wii U.

S&M could be in trouble if they release new systems next year, and they'll be in trouble if they DON'T release new systems next year... They better have a killer USP with their new consoles.


What a coincidence... I just wrote an article about this: http://www.gamingcapacity.com/will-nextbox-and-ps4-need-unique-selling-points/

(not a coincidence, while writing a reply I decided to make it an article instead. Thanks!)



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Andrespetmonkey said:
MB1025 said:
I love how people continue to say Sony will over take Microsoft in WW sales with no evidence to back that up. Everyone just assumes sale numbers will continue the way they are for some reason.

The evidence that the PS3 will pass the 360 is that the PS3 sells more per year on average. (About 11.3M for the PS3 vs about 10M for the 360 per year on average).


So that is just always going to be that way?



MB1025 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
MB1025 said:
I love how people continue to say Sony will over take Microsoft in WW sales with no evidence to back that up. Everyone just assumes sale numbers will continue the way they are for some reason.

The evidence that the PS3 will pass the 360 is that the PS3 sells more per year on average. (About 11.3M for the PS3 vs about 10M for the 360 per year on average).


So that is just always going to be that way?

I don't see why the trend will suddenly break. Also, when the 360 came out Xbox support was dropped. Playstation consoles get support for years after their successor comes out, so PS3 is more likely to have longer legs.



Andrespetmonkey said:
DanneSandin said:
If Sony and Microsoft is launching new systems next year (which they should do) they need the gamez. We all know that games sell systems, and as it's looking right now we can't count on S&M's BIGGEST franchises to make it to launch. I'm pretty sure that SOME system seller will be there, but I don't think we'll be seeing the Big Guns until 2014. And with Wii U having a years head start S&M better have something else to lure gamers besides games to their consoles. And I don't think it'll be much better graphics than Wii U.

S&M could be in trouble if they release new systems next year, and they'll be in trouble if they DON'T release new systems next year... They better have a killer USP with their new consoles.


What a coincidence... I just wrote an article about this: http://www.gamingcapacity.com/will-nextbox-and-ps4-need-unique-selling-points/

(not a coincidence, while writing a reply I decided to make it an article instead. Thanks!)

You're welcome :D glad I could inspire! I'll give it a read =)



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
DanneSandin said:
VGKing said:
DanneSandin said:
VGKing said:
DanneSandin said:
If Sony and Microsoft is launching new systems next year (which they should do) they need the gamez. We all know that games sell systems, and as it's looking right now we can't count on S&M's BIGGEST franchises to make it to launch. I'm pretty sure that SOME system seller will be there, but I don't think we'll be seeing the Big Guns until 2014. And with Wii U having a years head start S&M better have something else to lure gamers besides games to their consoles. And I don't think it'll be much better graphics than Wii U.

S&M could be in trouble if they release new systems next year, and they'll be in trouble if they DON'T release new systems next year... They better have a killer USP with their new consoles.

Oh, they will. That is guaranteed.

What? They will release new console or have killer USP's? I'm not talking games when refering to USP...

IT's guaranteed that PS4 and 720 will be much more powerful than the Wii U.

WTF is a USP?

Unique Selling Point. What Motion Control was to Wii.

Well, I guess we have to agree to disagree regarding the potential power how PS720; I don't think BOTH will be much more powerful than Wii U.


Looking back on what Cliffy B had to say about the consoles, Microsoft and Sony's graphics will be a vast shift from this gens graphics to being on par with this gens PC. Thats exactly how it was last gen, which is why PC devs even remotely shifted their interests to investing in consoles.

Well, even though CoD and Battlefield all looked better on PCs, they sold much better on PS360; so if they wanna compete with Wii U they better bring something else to the table as well.



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DanneSandin said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
DanneSandin said:
VGKing said:
DanneSandin said:
VGKing said:
DanneSandin said:
If Sony and Microsoft is launching new systems next year (which they should do) they need the gamez. We all know that games sell systems, and as it's looking right now we can't count on S&M's BIGGEST franchises to make it to launch. I'm pretty sure that SOME system seller will be there, but I don't think we'll be seeing the Big Guns until 2014. And with Wii U having a years head start S&M better have something else to lure gamers besides games to their consoles. And I don't think it'll be much better graphics than Wii U.

S&M could be in trouble if they release new systems next year, and they'll be in trouble if they DON'T release new systems next year... They better have a killer USP with their new consoles.

Oh, they will. That is guaranteed.

What? They will release new console or have killer USP's? I'm not talking games when refering to USP...

IT's guaranteed that PS4 and 720 will be much more powerful than the Wii U.

WTF is a USP?

Unique Selling Point. What Motion Control was to Wii.

Well, I guess we have to agree to disagree regarding the potential power how PS720; I don't think BOTH will be much more powerful than Wii U.


Looking back on what Cliffy B had to say about the consoles, Microsoft and Sony's graphics will be a vast shift from this gens graphics to being on par with this gens PC. Thats exactly how it was last gen, which is why PC devs even remotely shifted their interests to investing in consoles.

Well, even though CoD and Battlefield all looked better on PCs, they sold much better on PS360; so if they wanna compete with Wii U they better bring something else to the table as well.


COD and Battlefield sold better on consoles and also gave birth to larger shooter communities loyal to Xbox Live and PSN's online community. Nintendo has conceded that they will not compete with the two of them in the online market, so that battle is a lost one. The Wii U needs to compete with them, not vice versa. Nintendo is now in Sony and Microsofts house now.



Andrespetmonkey said:

Well, the way you paint the picture in the article PS720 wouldn't have any USP at all... An USP is something unique and something that sells the system. Being able to press a button and switch between apps isn't an USP. Xbox Live was an USP (was because Sony and Nintendo is/has caught up), Motion Controls was an USP, Miis was an USP, Miiverse could be an USP as well as the new controller - pending on how it's utilized.

The consoles needs to evolve to stay relevant - not just add better graphics.

That's my 2 cents =)



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
DanneSandin said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Looking back on what Cliffy B had to say about the consoles, Microsoft and Sony's graphics will be a vast shift from this gens graphics to being on par with this gens PC. Thats exactly how it was last gen, which is why PC devs even remotely shifted their interests to investing in consoles.

Well, even though CoD and Battlefield all looked better on PCs, they sold much better on PS360; so if they wanna compete with Wii U they better bring something else to the table as well.


COD and Battlefield sold better on consoles and also gave birth to larger shooter communities loyal to Xbox Live and PSN's online community. Nintendo has conceded that they will not compete with the two of them in the online market, so that battle is a lost one. The Wii U needs to compete with them, not vice versa. Nintendo is now in Sony and Microsofts house now.

The point I wanted to make, and obviously didn't portray rightfully, was that better graphics isn't necessarily an USP and isn't the end all be all. If Nintendo can get good ports of all 3rd party games (not those bastard gimped versions Wii got) PS720 is in for some rough competition.



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Furthermore, I think VGChartz should add a "Like"-button.

DanneSandin said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
 

Well, the way you paint the picture in the article PS720 wouldn't have any USP at all... An USP is something unique and something that sells the system. Being able to press a button and switch between apps isn't an USP. Xbox Live was an USP (was because Sony and Nintendo is/has caught up), Motion Controls was an USP, Miis was an USP, Miiverse could be an USP as well as the new controller - pending on how it's utilized.

The consoles needs to evolve to stay relevant - not just add better graphics.

That's my 2 cents =)

It's the small things like tweaks to the achievement systems, better cloud integration, a more seamless UI, a faster OS... dozens and dozens of these smaller changes lead to a uniquely great overall experience. It's not a USP in a traditional sense, no, but the overall experience sells the system. Look at Xbox Live currently, you could pinpoint hardly any major features it has over PSN, but it's the little tweaks and polish that make people think it's that much better (generally speaking), and that's what helps sell the system. Think about that, but on a larger scale. Also, games :P

Saying this is just better graphics is wrong. Look at PS3 at launch... Meh OS and UI... THAT was pretty much just a system with better graphics, but look at it now... with countless features, countless updates, countless little touches... it's like a whole new system. Microsoft and Sony are better software innovators the way I see it, and like I said changing up the hardware doesn't neccessarily make anything funner to play, it just makes us play our games differently if that makes sense. I think software innovation has far more potential, in terms of improving our experience. 



Andrespetmonkey said:
DanneSandin said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
 

Well, the way you paint the picture in the article PS720 wouldn't have any USP at all... An USP is something unique and something that sells the system. Being able to press a button and switch between apps isn't an USP. Xbox Live was an USP (was because Sony and Nintendo is/has caught up), Motion Controls was an USP, Miis was an USP, Miiverse could be an USP as well as the new controller - pending on how it's utilized.

The consoles needs to evolve to stay relevant - not just add better graphics.

That's my 2 cents =)

It's the small things like tweaks to the achievement systems, better cloud integration, a more seamless UI, a faster OS... dozens and dozens of these smaller changes lead to a uniquely great overall experience. It's not a USP in a traditional sense, no, but the overall experience sells the system. Look at Xbox Live currently, you could pinpoint hardly any major features it has over PSN, but it's the little tweaks and polish that make people think it's that much better (generally speaking), and that's what helps sell the system. Think about that, but on a larger scale. Also, games :P

Saying this is just better graphics is wrong. Look at PS3 at launch... Meh OS and UI... THAT was pretty much just a system with better graphics, but look at it now... with countless features, countless updates, countless little touches... it's like a whole new system. Microsoft and Sony are better software innovators the way I see it, and like I said changing up the hardware doesn't neccessarily make anything funner to play, it just makes us play our games differently if that makes sense. I think software innovation has far more potential, in terms of improving our experience. 

@Bolded: damn true! It's very exciting that at the end of a generation the console will be totally different from how it began! I'm excited to see where these SW innovations will take us during the next gen!



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