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happydolphin said:
superchunk said:

ding ding, we have a winner folks!

But I still think the reason for it is something we can argue a bit.

Is it because the market was poorly supported, and thus the twins "stole" sales off the Wii, or was the PS360 version simply going to be the better choice regardless, bottom line, and hence people chose what was better?

We need more data maybe to slice it.


It's neither to me. The market had support from... outsourced crap and PS2-grade downports. There would be more of a market if the market wasn't being given cow dung every time. If developers had made the effort to make at least some good Wii version, even if they weren't as good as the other versions, the situation wouldn't be as bad as it is. And yes, it is possible to make a good Wii version. It's been done before. It simple takes something I like to call "smart design choices" and "effort". Both of which aren't so dependent on raw power.



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oniyide said:

Ive never even heard of those terms, but i still wager that even those people know about what is better. Look at a screenshot for a wii game then look at the HD version of the same guy, almost night and day in each instance, if this were true why didnt Wii versions of games do as well as HDs if the true hobbyists is such a small number?

Read FOX's comments on Forgotten Sands though, apparently the Wii version was the best in that case. It's a case by case thing, not because one looks prettier that the game is better, come on now, it's not necessarily the case.



F0X said:
happydolphin said:
superchunk said:

ding ding, we have a winner folks!

But I still think the reason for it is something we can argue a bit.

Is it because the market was poorly supported, and thus the twins "stole" sales off the Wii, or was the PS360 version simply going to be the better choice regardless, bottom line, and hence people chose what was better?

We need more data maybe to slice it.


It's neither to me. The market had support from... outsourced crap and PS2-grade downports. There would be more of a market if the market wasn't being given cow dung every time. If developers had made the effort to make at least some good Wii version, even if they weren't as good as the other versions, the situation wouldn't be as bad as it is. And yes, it is possible to make a good Wii version. It's been done before. It simple takes something I like to call "smart design choices" and "effort". Both of which aren't so dependent on raw power.

I understand your argument, but does it apply to COD, for example? Do you think the Wii version of COD was no good?

Sometimes if effort is put on both, the HD version ends up with the edge, especially in the case of shooters due to the nature of the game and the need for higher precision in graphics (to hit smaller targets).



happydolphin said:
oniyide said:

Ive never even heard of those terms, but i still wager that even those people know about what is better. Look at a screenshot for a wii game then look at the HD version of the same guy, almost night and day in each instance, if this were true why didnt Wii versions of games do as well as HDs if the true hobbyists is such a small number?

Read FOX's comments on Forgotten Sands though, apparently the Wii version was the best in that case. It's a case by case thing, not because one looks prettier that the game is better, come on now, it's not necessarily the case.


I'm okay with "it's the exception that proves the rule" argument.

Or the "core gamers only care about graphics so hah!" argument.

Honestly the only reason why I'm here is because I don't get to talk about The Forgotten Sands enough. Apparently I've been the only one who cares... even among the Wii owners!



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F0X said:
oniyide said:
F0X said:
oniyide said:


fair enough, I still stand by that this was going to happen regardless. people especially people who actually play video games on the regular are not stupid. They knew how it was going to go down with Wii as soon as they saw what it was capable of and what it wasnt capable off, in stark contrast to the HD systems. Funny thing is alot of games did get downported and their own versions. But they didnt sell well, because they simpler werent as good. More power under the hood, the more you can do, its really that simple. If you have the option to get the better version of something, why would you not get it?


Either because you don't know there's a better version, or you don't care that there is. Once again I look at The Forgotten Sands, having played both versions, and think "If only they knew."

Why wouldnt I know if there is a better version? Im a core gamer so im going to know what is better and whats not. And i would absoulutely care if there is a better version especially if its miles better


I don't believe that all gamers that identify themselves as "core" pay so close attention. Playing games regularly doesn't automatically equal keeping up on all the news, and I've seen cases of core gamers who play games regularly, but focus on certain genres or franchises, so they have a bit of tunnel vision concerning different types of games. Don't assume that all core gamers are uber-informed like us VGChartz afficionados.

Now, those who pay extra attention to PoP (the fanbase) are the ones who are most likely to pick up the Wii version of TFS in any scenario (and I imagine many ploncking down the cash for both versions), so this is a good test to see how many really informed, dedicated gamers follow the series. Or (and this is a total assumption that doesn't matter) perhaps some people don't bother with reviews so much and would rather play a game of the platform of their preference even if the version isn't as good, meaning there are a large number of people in the fanbase that I really don't want to associate with. Actually that might explain why people are saying CoD was comparable on Wii (not me!)

You dont need to pay close attention or to look at gaming news to clearly see what a system might be capable of doing. If I look at a game from the WIi library and one from the PS360 library, without knowing anyting I can at least come to the conclusion that hey the PS360 is clearly capable of more than the Wii is.

As for PoP i was under that that game underperformed, period. IMHO anyone who was saying COD is comparble on Wii either really love the pointer controls and can deal with it running like crap or they are lying to themselves.



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F0X said:

I'm okay with "it's the exception that proves the rule" argument.

Or the "core gamers only care about graphics so hah!" argument.

Honestly the only reason why I'm here is because I don't get to talk about The Forgotten Sands enough. Apparently I've been the only one who cares... even among the Wii owners!

I like PoP, and I own it, but I haven't enjoyed much of it. Maybe I should try it again, because I very much liked The Sands of Time.



F0X said:
happydolphin said:
superchunk said:

ding ding, we have a winner folks!

But I still think the reason for it is something we can argue a bit.

Is it because the market was poorly supported, and thus the twins "stole" sales off the Wii, or was the PS360 version simply going to be the better choice regardless, bottom line, and hence people chose what was better?

We need more data maybe to slice it.


It's neither to me. The market had support from... outsourced crap and PS2-grade downports. There would be more of a market if the market wasn't being given cow dung every time. If developers had made the effort to make at least some good Wii version, even if they weren't as good as the other versions, the situation wouldn't be as bad as it is. And yes, it is possible to make a good Wii version. It's been done before. It simple takes something I like to call "smart design choices" and "effort". Both of which aren't so dependent on raw power.


but when it is well made it still kinda underperforms. Force Unleashed 1 did alright but was still behind both versions and you already mentioned PoP



oniyide said:

You dont need to pay close attention or to look at gaming news to clearly see what a system might be capable of doing. If I look at a game from the WIi library and one from the PS360 library, without knowing anyting I can at least come to the conclusion that hey the PS360 is clearly capable of more than the Wii is.

As for PoP i was under that that game underperformed, period. IMHO anyone who was saying COD is comparble on Wii either really love the pointer controls and can deal with it running like crap or they are lying to themselves.

Only question that remains is, was COD given an honest push, worthy of Wii's userbase, or was it given the sub-par treatment? If it was given the full treatment then you end up being right on all accounts, since the game sold better on the system that sells better. But if the Wii version is sub-par, your argument gets nerfed.

That's why I'm asking, was COD Wii bad? I haven't played it much so I don't really know.



F0X said:
happydolphin said:
oniyide said:

Ive never even heard of those terms, but i still wager that even those people know about what is better. Look at a screenshot for a wii game then look at the HD version of the same guy, almost night and day in each instance, if this were true why didnt Wii versions of games do as well as HDs if the true hobbyists is such a small number?

Read FOX's comments on Forgotten Sands though, apparently the Wii version was the best in that case. It's a case by case thing, not because one looks prettier that the game is better, come on now, it's not necessarily the case.


I'm okay with "it's the exception that proves the rule" argument.

Or the "core gamers only care about graphics so hah!" argument.

Honestly the only reason why I'm here is because I don't get to talk about The Forgotten Sands enough. Apparently I've been the only one who cares... even among the Wii owners!

you know no one cares when the PSP version sold more, something aint right with that



um well it is pretty clear on VGC's main page



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