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Cheebee said:
superchunk said:
Cheebee said:
superchunk said:
Cheebee said:
iPad 3? Why not 4?


You mean "Mini"... it has worse specs and is not 10".

No, iPad 4. Apple announced it at the same conference as the iPad mini. A ton of people were outraged by it, too, 'cos Apple announced it so soon after the 3rd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPad_4

Ah well, I did use Apple's latest info from their site. They just don't label it with a number anymore. But the specs above are the latest. I'll change my label.

Shame on you!

Lol, no but seriously, a lot of people missed it amidst the unveiling of the iPad mini and all Apple's other stuff. It still confuses me why they simply call it the 'New iPad'.

Yeah, that's what screwed me. I wish they'd just use the same naming convention.

However, Google's is getting just as bad.

Nexus 4 is not a 4" NExus... its the 4th Nexus phone. However, Nexus 7 and 10 are 7" and 10" tablets. wtf?



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superchunk said:
S3 is nice, but you really need to use a "Nexus" device. Plain Android is FAR better than anything else. cleaner, faster, etc

That's your opinion but I strong disagree with you... Andrid is a patchwork, with a not friendly interface and just run faster because the strong hardware...  the OS itself is very slow. It's complicated to use it.



superchunk said:
honestly... beyond specific OS fanboyism... I don't see why anyone would choose any other 10" (or 7" for Nexus7) over the Nexus 10. Its by far the better choice and FAR less $$.


Same reasons as always: Software, ecosystem. And apparently it's the best option for people who want cellular networking. But I agree that the Nexus 10 has impressive hardware specs at a good price.

One quibble with your table, the CPU in the A6X SoC is not a cortex A9. It's a custom CPU design based on the ARMv7 instruction set codenamed "Swift". Also, we don't know what clock it runs at, but 1.3-1.6 GHz seems likely.

I'm looking forward to a Swift vs A15 showdown, actually. From what I gather, A15 is expected to outperform Swift per clock, while Swift is expected to perform much better in terms of performance per watt. A15 was actually designed to bring good performance per watt to the server space, so it's optimization is a little off-target here.

Edit: Oh yeah, and you mean iPad 4th gen.



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Scoobes said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I have a Samsung Galaxy Note and I love it. Android 4 ICS is great. But Windows 8 is THE mobile OS I've been waiting for. It does everything I could want from a touch device and a desktop. In addition to installing Windows 8 on my desktop I will be getting some kind of Win8 Tablet in the next year or two. Like I said I'm happy with my Galaxy Note, but when Win8 devices start coming out in tons of flavors at various price points I'll jump on board. I'm not an early adopter so the high prices, but awesome, Surface isn't for me right now. If it comes down it price or another manufacturer sells and alternative with a better price I'll be there.

I'm dubious of Windows RT myself. The current app store is too small and it can't run the vast majority of Windows software. I think a proper Windows 8 x86 based tablet/laptop would be much better value currently. Having said that, I wouldn't like to predict how the tablet market will look in a year or two as the competitions fierce.


I feel the same way. But for people who don't care about backwards compatiblity the Windows 8 RT can do nearly everything and as apps get added it will do everything. But I, like you, would rather have an X86 Surface with full legacy support.



ethomaz said:
superchunk said:
S3 is nice, but you really need to use a "Nexus" device. Plain Android is FAR better than anything else. cleaner, faster, etc

That's your opinion but I strong disagree with you... Andrid is a patchwork, with a not friendly interface and just run faster because the strong hardware...  the OS itself is very slow. It's complicated to use it.


Use a 4.x Nexus device and then we'll rediscuss.



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famousringo said:
superchunk said:
honestly... beyond specific OS fanboyism... I don't see why anyone would choose any other 10" (or 7" for Nexus7) over the Nexus 10. Its by far the better choice and FAR less $$.


Same reasons as always: Software, ecosystem. And apparently it's the best option for people who want cellular networking. But I agree that the Nexus 10 has impressive hardware specs at a good price.

One quibble with your table, the CPU in the A6X SoC is not a cortex A9. It's a custom CPU design based on the ARMv7 instruction set codenamed "Swift". Also, we don't know what clock it runs at, but 1.3-1.6 GHz seems likely.

I'm looking forward to a Swift vs A15 showdown, actually. From what I gather, A15 is expected to outperform Swift per clock, while Swift is expected to perform much better in terms of performance per watt. A15 was actually designed to bring good performance per watt to the server space, so it's optimization is a little off-target here.

Edit: Oh yeah, and you mean iPad 4th gen.


Apple bases their CPU tech on ARM and Cortex A9 is what its based on as was the last few Apple CPUs. "Swift" is just their code name.

I did update the GHz as I read more on it from ArsTechnica. ( http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/10/deducing-details-about-apples-a6x-processor/ )

A15 from all accounts I've read is a beast and truly outdoes anything else based on A9 (even dual vs quad core comparisons). However, a proper comparison would be best and I'm sure it will come with benchmarks between these specific devices soon.

EDIT: now even if CPU tweaks make it similar to N10, its GPU and a lot of the other hardware still pales in comparison. Overall, its still better hardware, similar OS at $100 less money all the while using standard connections.



superchunk said:

Yeah, that's what screwed me. I wish they'd just use the same naming convention.

However, Google's is getting just as bad.

Nexus 4 is not a 4" NExus... its the 4th Nexus phone. However, Nexus 7 and 10 are 7" and 10" tablets. wtf?

Eh? I didn't know that. Here's to confusing consumers, yay!

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superchunk said:
ethomaz said:
superchunk said:
ethomaz said:

For me iPad 3 but I want to try the Surface (the Windows seem cool).

Nexus 10 is not my kind of pad... the OS destroy the experience for me.


Have you used an Android 4.x or above tablet? Or just the old 2.x tablets where the OS wasn't even intended for a tablet?

I used the Galaxy SIII and it's sucks like every other previous Android IMO.

For pad I used one with Android 3.x but it is just a cheaper option here for people that wants an iPad


S3 is nice, but you really need to use a "Nexus" device. Plain Android is FAR better than anything else. cleaner, faster, etc

Superchunk. I don't think you can convince someone who thinks S3 sucks to formulate a somewhat positive experience. What i mean is that the phone has zero lag, hardware specs and benchmarks that match anything else by competitors. Some people will always go with this "sucks" but that better. There are these kinds of people with all kind of brands and products. 

I don't think he is going to like it even if he gets the prototype Android 7.0 running on hexa core with 6GB of ram with 1200p resolution on a 4.5" screen. IMO. 



pezus said:

I don't know why you keep saying that, but the latest Android is anything but complicated. You can dig deep if you want to, but it has it all right there if you don't want any customization. It's just as easy as iOS, just more customizable by far.

I just hate it because the development model, bugs and the UI itself.

You can like it but says it's on pair with iOS or the W8 is a joke... some guys here overate the Android... in my option it need to be remade from zero begining with the crap custom java machine (the main problem in the OS).

That's my opinion.



superchunk said:
Use a 4.x Nexus device and then we'll rediscuss.

I will try.