Well here is the problem, what recipe are they following lol. The problem is you just make stuff up and think we are suppose to just accept it as just an opinion. Saying something false is not an opinion? If you said the sky is red then according to you thats ok because its his opinion lol. No thats just plain false. There is no set recipe lol. If this is  a recipe then why does it follow the same recipe as the Wii instead of the DS( the platform they got the second screen from)? I never missed understood his opinion because its the same bs he has been spewing since the start of the gen. Without the games the Wii would have been nothing, not some motion controller. Im tired of pointing this out the Wii wasn't the first motion controlled gaming device so what exactly is the novelty?

In the context of the massive sales of an underdog console, the fact that it wasn't the first motion controlled gaming device is not what mattered. What mattered, in my humble opinion, is that it was marketted properly and offered as an attracted package.

I will indulge you, look at the the ones that came before it, and ask yourself which ones were backed by the marketting the Wii enjoyed?

In terms of the full Wii recipe, eg the motion controls, the aggressive marketing, Wii Sports, Wii Play, etc, it was an undeniable novelty of the industry (as a full package, marketing, product, software, everything), and this is a fact. The ripples of its novelty (in that sense) is undeniable truth, just go back, read the articles, check the news headlines of nov. and holidays 2006, and you will blow your mind.

Lol Im a Wii fan, you think i dont know this? i know what sold the Wii, like you just said the full package. Thats what NInty is attempting to do with this Wii. The problem is you guys are always talking about novelty, it wasn't novelty, the Wii could still be alive if it was receiving support from Ninty still. It has always been about the package which is what Ninty is doing here as well. Its completely backwards compatible(so motion gaming is still there and we will obviously see another Wiisports), the gamepad allows for new experiences with video games(like the Wii), it offers NintendoTVii, and its own social network. This package could be as big as the Wiis. Im not saying you should believe this, Im just saying you should stop spewing this whole notion of the WIiU has no chance in hell, espicailly if you turn out wrong and it outpaces the Wii like the 3DS is doing to the DS.

Phenom, you need to understand my argument first before judging any implications. I wasnot saying the U has no chance in hell.

We both agree that the Wii was a novelty. The only difference between you and I is that the U can offer a novelty phenomenon once again.

I also agree that the U will be novel, but I don't believe it will be a novelty. I know this sounds confusing, but what I mean is that Nintendo boomed in 2006 due to the use of novelty and adequate marketing, the Wii had an explosive reaction and went viral. What happens with the U is that, even though it's novel (I agree with you), the recipe for explosion is not there due to what I consider a variant of the observer's paradox. Yes, this is purely speculative. I believe that the novelty factor is a consummable, and as a sentiment it is one that is very difficult to recreate.

The best argument you would have against that was your mention of the ipad2. Funny thing, in the first counter-point you raised, you mentioned the ipad2. In the same post you quoted to raise that counterpoint, I had mentioned two solutions to this paradox:

1) A significant hardware upgrade (like the ipad2).

and

2) Attractive exclusives.

The point #2 is very debatable, and it will be very difficult to tell how appealing NSMBU for instance will be appealing to its target audience, since the whole novelty sentiment as a consumable effect is inherent to that proposal as well. (ie the solution to the initial problem is plagued with the same problem). The same can be said about Wii Fit U, and all the Touch Generation games that sold gangbusters on DS, but are struggling to push a sale on the 3DS (Nintendogs, Brain Training). A similar argument can be made for NSMB, NSMB2, NSMBU, as well as Wii Fit U. The exception to this for some reason seems to be Just Dance 4, as that phenomenon is still on the upswing it seems (again, speculation, but the trends are there to point to that).

What lol? NSMB2 isn't exactly underperforming, so that should show you NSMBU may not as well. The most important part though is how you point some DS games that didn't continue success on the 3DS but failed to mention the 3DS not needing them to succeed to outpace the DS. Which means if Wii Fit U does underperform the WiiU may not need it. How about this we will wait and see. I personally think NSMBU will definetly sell less upfront since NSMBWii did release to a massive WIi userbase but i think NSMBU, Nintyland, Wii Fit U, MH3U, DQ10 beta, the gamepad, NintendoTVii, and Miiverse will push more WiiUs in the first 4 months than the Wii did. After that i dont know since i dont know what Ninty has coming for the rest of 2013.

In Japan or in NA? Because DQ U and MH U are Japan-only for a time.

Just because I named DQ and MH doesn't mean i wasn't talking globally. Yes Mario and Nintyland will be enough alongside everything i mentioned besides DQ and MH for NA. The WiiU will benefit alot from MH and DQ ofcourse but NA is still properly covered.

Hence the question. I needed to know so as to follow your thoughts.

Regarding NSMB2's decline, the numbers are here -> http://www.vgchartz.com/tools/game_comparison.php?reg=Global&ending=Cumulative&game%5B%5D=New+Super+Mario+Bros.+%28DS%29+%5B1582%5D&game%5B%5D=New+Super+Mario+Bros.+2+%283DS%29+%5B70735%5D&game%5B%5D=&game%5B%5D=

Here's some more speculation:

NSMB will help push the U, but not much more than it pushed the 3DS. Like you said earlier, the U is taking most of its cues from the DS/3DS (dual screen, touch controls), and its performance (mark my words) will largely resemble that of the 3DS for most applications, bar exceptions like NintendoLand, Just Dance 4, ZombiU and Wii Fit U, which make use of the the new input mechanics that can't be replicated on the 3DS. that's the novelty factor that will sell the U. Without those, the U would follow the 3DS trend, which is excellent, but has still to prove itself in the West (the biggest market). In Japan, however, I believe the 3DS will trend better than the U on aligned launch. It will be a very interesting trend to watch. So imho at worse the WiiU has 3DS-like sales performance. At best, it gets a mix of markets from the DS, the Wii and the HD base. Looks good all in all.

lol Nintendo will never be what Microsoft and Sony are, they just cannot fill that void without selling out who they truly are. Nintendo at its best marches to the beat of its own drummer.