Some people have funerals, etc...

Yes, it is quite sad, isn't it? Your entire argument rests on a single premise, which by no means is as certain as you make it out to be. I suppose I should expect no better from one whose philosophical knowledge is evidently lacking to the point where you mistake moral relativism with a lack of morals entirely...

Of course, Crono does not appear to grasp the concept either, so perhaps it is a American thing. I never could understand your culture. Like why you even care what happens to these kids - The goodness in your heart, or Christian indoctrination? The motivation; Now that's a moral dilemma!

Well I dunno helios, why do you care what happens to people around you? Why do you care what government does, and what laws get passed? Why do you care if you were even born?

Go do yourself a favor. Go out and rent/torrent "Its a Wonderful Life" with Jimmy Stewart. Its a Christmas themed movie, but the story is about how much impact one man can have on the lives of those around him.

Why do we care about aborted babies? Because each one is a life that could have touched hundreds of others. When you abort a baby, you deny someone not only the life of the baby, but also someone's friend, husband/wife, mother/father, brother/sister. The lives a person affects ranges much greater than just his own.

Its this same mentality that makes the "well, they're better off dead than in a poor home, or in an orphanage, or foster care" stupid. Nobody can see the future, but no matter what the child's circumstances, he/she will touch hundreds, perhaps thousands of lives. Abortion denies all those people the experience of ever knowing the person.

Well, that's an interesting question, actually.

First, you can't expect a human to remain impartial and faithfull to his ideology in practice. Just like Hume, I find that quite impossible. I will say that I care about this world because I live in it - Life is a fact, after all. I don't think it is a particularly good world, and I'm not stoked about the fact that I WILL eventually die, but I might as well make the best of it.

If I had never been born, I would not be sorry.

As for what you said, I don't have a problem with that. However, I personally don't deal with what-ifs. People might get happy, or they might get sad (Hitler 2), but ultimately, does it matter if these people are going to die anyway? For an atheist such as myself, not really.

In practice, obviously I would like it if there were no abortions, but if it is deemed beneficial to terminate the child, I would have no problem with that, either.

People keep saying a child is special? How? It's a biological function no greater than taking a shit, it just takes longer. It's natures trick for survival, that's all. I guess the argument really comes down to intelligent design/superior species vs. evolved/intelligent creatures. No one has a soul, nothing to feel guilty about. We didn't abort the second coming of christ, no worries. Really, I don't like abortion. I don't think its an OVERWHELMING PROBLEM, like some people make it out to be. Anyways, I'm pro-choice because I think most people can make their own decisions. I do recommend that we abort theocratic christians.

"theocratic christians"

Are there any other kinds? (Sorry, I was confusing "theocratic" with "theistic") Also bigotry is bad, mmkay. If I made the claim that all theocratic muslims should be aborted, I'd get eaten alive, and probably banned.

(Note, I don't claim that all theocratic muslims should be aborted).

Edited for clarification.

That's much better, Daddo Splat, thank you. I still disagree with the content, of course, but it's much more readable.

It was -2 F earlier (that's 34 below freezing) in the Twin Cities but it's up to 4 degrees now (-16 C). The wind makes it seem colder, though.

I was always pro choice, and I still am. But it took an even more special meaning to me after two cases that involved people who wee very close to me. It helped me realize just how very much women should have this difficult choice available to them. I'd like to think that everyone who does make this choice is sincere and does have trouble following through, that'd be natural... sadly it isn't in all cases though.

Once people adopt all of the starving/neglected kids in this country AND takes care of those overseas, THEN will I listen to what pro-life people have to say. It seems they care more about unborn children than the ones who are here already, since they tend not to want to spend a dime on any federal aid to children, because obviously that is "big government".

Life is great for some, but life is miserable for most.