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I was always pro choice, and I still am. But it took an even more special meaning to me after two cases that involved people who wee very close to me. It helped me realize just how very much women should have this difficult choice available to them. I'd like to think that everyone who does make this choice is sincere and does have trouble following through, that'd be natural... sadly it isn't in all cases though.



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Once people adopt all of the starving/neglected kids in this country AND takes care of those overseas, THEN will I listen to what pro-life people have to say. It seems they care more about unborn children than the ones who are here already, since they tend not to want to spend a dime on any federal aid to children, because obviously that is "big government".

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akuma587 said:
Once people adopt all of the starving/neglected kids in this country AND takes care of those overseas, THEN will I listen to what pro-choice people have to say. It seems they care more about unborn children than the ones who are here already, since they tend not to want to spend a dime on any federal aid to children, because obviously that is "big government".

Life is great for some, but life is miserable for most.

What country are you referring to, as there are not any starving kids in the United States that need to be. America does help out (both the government and through independant charities) a lot of starving kids over seas too, but expecting US to take care of the entire world all at once before it fixes other mroe local problems is a bit unrealisticl thinking on your part.

The poorest child in the US has a better standard of living than the average citizen in a lot of other countries. There is no shortage of food for families with kids. The way the wellfare system works is totally messed up , often creating a cycle of depandcy, but it greatly favors kids.

As to neglect, that is such a difficult thing for the goverment to do any better than it does now without causing other problems...   Currently the best way to take care of neglect is to report it.  As far as I know it is not a big problem, although there probably are some areas where the parents have a drug problem, etc...  If I personally knew someone with a problem I would help out, as would many Americans.

Adopting all kids would be great.  Unfortunately not that many are willing to adopt problem kids that have already been neglected.  Plenty of people willing to adopt young kids, but they typically don't make it into the system until they are much older...  Perhaps if it was easier for people to put younger children up for adoption.  Biggest problem is parents change their minds and expect their kid back later...



Pro Life all the way. America will answer for their crimes. It's just a matter of time.




chriscox1121 said:
Pro Life all the way. America will answer for their crimes. It's just a matter of time.

America is such a mix. Lots of good people, and lots of bad people...  sometimes I wonder what their is more of...  probably the biggest group are mostly fall under the not really bad, but too lazy to care about or help anyone besides themselfs, which is sometimes just as bad.



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pro life :)



Final-Fan said:
Crono said:
"theocratic christians"

Are there any other kinds? Also bigotry is bad, mmkay. If I made the claim that all practicing muslims should be aborted, I'd get eaten alive, and probably banned.

(Note, I don't claim that all practicing muslims should be aborted).
Yeah, non-theocratic Christians are the ones who think God is great but that really bad things happen when Church = State. They think that because history is full of examples bearing out that analysis.

That's me!  Of course i'm a bit radical in that i'm not big on churches even.  Considering everyone is now literate i don't see the need of a place that exists primarily as an institution that tells you what the holy scripts say.



On adoption: The rules for adoption in the US are fubar. After a couple finds a mother willing to give her baby up for adoption, they have to practically bend over backwards to make sure she has everything she needs. Then after the baby is born, she can decide that she doesn't want to give the child up for adoption, screwing the adoptive family out of an expected family member. In addition, even if she does decide to go through with giving the child up for adoption, she can renig on it up to several years (some ungodly number, like 10) after the baby is born.

Thats why so many families choose to adopt from over seas. Its much much easier, and there's much less red tape. This really needs to be fixed.



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360: 13 million by January I sold microsoft short, but not as bad as Nintendo.

PS3: 6 million by January. If it approaches 8 mil i'll eat crow  Mnn Crow is yummy.

With these results, I've determined that I suck at long term predictions, and will not long term predict anything ever again. Thus spaketh Crono.

I just said Christians because protestant Christians are the majority in the U.S. Islam is set just as far back in the Iron Age as well. Usually when, discussing a problem with logic, you try to include things that exist or are even remote possibilities. When you start to include things liek "Sin" the argument really gets dumbed down. I mean if you believe in Original Sin then why can't we kill anyone who's not baptized. I mean will kill sinners who sin as adults. So why can't we kill unbaptizied fresh sinners? Or is there different degrees of Sin? All this time I thought pro-life was antiwar, but apparently its pro-fetus, for killing humans. I'm so confused. I guess your stance on social issues, is very much reflected by the current trends in popular religion.

Even if you don't agree with Abortion, which I think it "ideally" would be a worst case scenario. You have to admit that outlawing something doesn't stop it. War on Drugs didn't do much except fill prisons, demand still hasn't gone down. If you want to change peoples ideas about abortion, you have to educate, and create a society in which people don't need to have an abortion.

Some stats on abortion: Stats are from planned parenthood (might be biased, but they are the ones doing abortions)

In the United States

1% of all abortions (16,450/yr.) happen after the 20th week of pregnancy.

Number of abortions per year: 1.37 Million (1996)
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 3,700
Likelihood of abortion:
An estimated 43% of all women will have at least 1 abortion by the time they are 45 years old. 47% of all abortions are performed on women who have had at least one previous abortion.


Worldwide:
Number of abortions per year: Approximately 46 Million
Where abortions occur:
78% of all abortions are obtained in developing countries and 22% occur in developed countries.
Legality of abortion:
About 26 million women obtain legal abortions each year, while an additional 20 million abortions are obtained in countries where it is restricted or prohibited by law

Who's having abortions (religion)?
Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical".

Who's having abortions (income)?
Women with family incomes less than $15,000 obtain 28.7% of all abortions; Women with family incomes between $15,000 and $29,999 obtain 19.5%; Women with family incomes between $30,000 and $59,999 obtain 38.0%; Women with family incomes over $60,000 obtain 13.8%.


http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html

The website seems to be anti-abortion.




"just said Christians because protestant Christians are the majority in the U.S. Islam is set just as far back in the Iron Age as well."

So you're just an equal opportunity bigot, then. Good to know. And sin doesn't even enter the equation here. While its true Christianity believes that we are all sinful, and are worthy of death before God, the fact that He doesn't strike us all down means something. The fact he sent Jesus to redeem us means even more.

But again, this is off topic. If you want to argue merits and flaws of world religions, thats a topic for another thread.



Witty signature here...

Wii: 14 million by January  I sold myself short

360: 13 million by January I sold microsoft short, but not as bad as Nintendo.

PS3: 6 million by January. If it approaches 8 mil i'll eat crow  Mnn Crow is yummy.

With these results, I've determined that I suck at long term predictions, and will not long term predict anything ever again. Thus spaketh Crono.