By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Gaming - Prisoners playing Video games

 

Is it ok for tax payers to pay for these Video games for Prisoners?

No 49 56.98%
 
Yes 37 43.02%
 
Total:86
ninetailschris on 01 October 2012
Khuutra said:

The least harsh (or most intensely focused on rehab) prisons in the world usually have the lowest recidivism rates, right?

I'm sure some Europeans can enlighten me on that point; the US prison system is medieval compared to every prison system in western Europe, but our recidivism rates are way higher

The point here being that "tough justice" has never really prevented crime, not in the history of the first world


Europe is made of many countries and different laws so you have pick one. 

For example, Uk has been known to arrest and innocent people defending themselves. Plus there are some that have better conditions whiles others are worst so again it's very vague to confirm this because all laws and places are not the same.

"The point here being that "tough justice" has never really prevented crime, not in the history of the first world"

Yea it has prisions with Jobs for inmates learned more and actual make a little money sometimes even encourages them to get a job when they get out because of there first thing working. Plus jails had made a profit. Think this more people defening because they used to the government giving them everything and not questioning anything. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198296/Michelle-Kosilek-Judge-rules-murderer-receive-TAX-PAYER-funded-sex-change.html

Murderer who strangled his wife will get $20,000 sex change paid for by the TAXPAYER because judge rules 'she' has a 'serious medical need'

  • Robert Kosilek was convicted of murdering his wife Cheryl in 1990
  • In prison, he changed his name to Michelle, sued for the state to pay for a sex change and attempting to castrate herself in custody
  • Today a Massachusetts judge ruled that the $20,000 surgery is the 'only adequate treatment'
  • Prison officials say sex change will make Kosilek a target in prison
  • Historic decision is the first of its kind in the nation

Do people think this is cool and we already pay for there health care?



"Excuse me sir, I see you have a weapon. Why don't you put it down and let's settle this like gentlemen"  ~ max

Around the Network
IIIIITHE1IIIII on 01 October 2012

People usually don't go around and rape and murder others because they find it enjoyable. They do it because they have shitty lives (probably due to poor upbringing conditions and/or mental issues. Or unexpected events that no one ever would actually choose to go through) and can't properly cope with their situation. No sane person would enjoy going around killing people or put women through abuse.

If you want to make their lives even shittier then feel free to have that opinion. I, on the other hand (along with many others), say we should put them back on track. If video games is an effective method that offers good results for the money then let it happen.

Punishing them for being unfortunate makes no sense.



Slimebeast on 01 October 2012
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
prisoners are not bad people they just made bad decisions in their life. some of the prisoners are victims of circumstances. not all prisoners are rapists or murderers.
let the prisoners play the old video games that are donated to them or purchased from bargain bins.

Haha, I agree with this. I'm fine with it as long as it's from the bargain bin but it's not cool if they receive the latest FIFA or Call of Duty on release day.



Slimebeast on 01 October 2012
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

People usually don't go around and rape and murder others because they find it enjoyable. They do it because they have shitty lives (probably due to poor upbringing conditions and/or mental issues. Or unexpected events that no one ever would actually choose to go through) and can't properly cope with their situation. No sane person would enjoy going around killing people or put women through abuse.

If you want to make their lives even shittier then feel free to have that opinion. I, on the other hand (along with many others), say we should put them back on track. If video games is an effective method that offers good results for the money then let it happen.

Punishing them for being unfortunate makes no sense.

This is crazy how you make assumptions. Social democrat assumptions.

There's ton of people out there who enjoy mugging and beating random victims on the street.

Mass murderers like Assad, Khadaffi and Breivik had shitty lives? How do you know that?

Employers who use slave and child labor for their own profit have shitty lives?

All these people who beat their wife or kid have shitty lives?

The religious people in Pakistan who sentence rape-victims to stoning have shitty lives?



Kasz216 on 01 October 2012

I've got no problem with it.

Keeping prisoners somewhat entertained makes things easier for the guards, and it's worth nothing that MOST prisoners are going to get out eventually and try and be reintegrated back into society.

To me it seems like a pretty good carrot to keep prisoners in line and/or participate in rehabilitation efforts.



Around the Network
Kasz216 on 01 October 2012
crissindahouse said:
Kantor said:
Khuutra said:
Kantor said:
I think they should have the freedom to purchase them with their own money, but no, taxpayers should not be paying for convicted criminals to have an unnecessary (though enjoyable) luxury like that, which many people can't even afford themselves.

Where do you draw the line between recreational entertainment (which is generally held to be necessary for humane conditions in every prison in the first world) and luxury? What separates Super Mario from Harry Potter?

Harry Potter can be screened in one hall for the enjoyment of hundreds of people for the price of a projector (likely already there) and maybe $5 extra.

A video game entertains, at most, four people at a time, and requires an expensive console and a game that can cost as much as $60.

you can't just show a movie to as many people as you want, at least in germany you have to pay for licensing. and a game can be played much longer as a movie, so if the prisoner saw a movie there is nothing more for him but he can play the game for weeks. if you give them a madden or nba game they can play hundreds of hours with each other.

I'm not sure i'd give them competitive multiplayer games.

I can imagine people getting stabbed over games of madden.



IIIIITHE1IIIII on 01 October 2012
Slimebeast said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

People usually don't go around and rape and murder others because they find it enjoyable. They do it because they have shitty lives (probably due to poor upbringing conditions and/or mental issues. Or unexpected events that no one ever would actually choose to go through) and can't properly cope with their situation. No sane person would enjoy going around killing people or put women through abuse.

If you want to make their lives even shittier then feel free to have that opinion. I, on the other hand (along with many others), say we should put them back on track. If video games is an effective method that offers good results for the money then let it happen.

Punishing them for being unfortunate makes no sense.

This is crazy how you make assumptions. Social democrat assumptions.

That's an assumption too.


There's ton of people out there who enjoy mugging and beating random victims on the street.

Yes, but usually they are drunk. If they actually enjoy making others suffer they do have some sort of issues that needs to be dealt with.


Mass murderers like Assad, Khadaffi and Breivik had shitty lives? How do you know that?

Breivik is not a sane person. He felt no guilt or whatsoever after killing dozens of youths. Khadaffi severely lacked sympathy and killed some of his own people. If that lack of sympathy was due to having too much money and influence then granting him video games would not be an appropriate way of dealing with his issues. Remember, I said that usually they have shitty lives. If they didn't, you obviousy may need another method than, for instance, video games to stop their abusive behavior.


Employers who use slave and child labor for their own profit have shitty lives?

It sounds like they live in a shitty country. But no, they don't necessarily have shitty lives.


All these people who beat their wife or kid have shitty lives?

They sound pretty depressed to me. You don't normally go around and beat up your family because of how much you enjoy life, or use that method to enjoy it even more.

 

The religious people in Pakistan who sentence rape-victims to stoning have shitty lives?

They follow their laws system, which is a completely separate issue.


Video games is obviously not always an appropriate method of rehabilitating criminals. Where did you get that from?



Kasz216 on 01 October 2012
Khuutra said:

The least harsh (or most intensely focused on rehab) prisons in the world usually have the lowest recidivism rates, right?

I'm sure some Europeans can enlighten me on that point; the US prison system is medieval compared to every prison system in western Europe, but our recidivism rates are way higher

The point here being that "tough justice" has never really prevented crime, not in the history of the first world

Oddly though I think that's reverse causation as counterintutive as it seems.

Countries which are least harsh, tend to have less harsh cultures, with easier criminals and easier prisons.

 

I mean, if we had "Open Prisons" like in denmark.  It wouldn't turn out well.

US prisons should be more rehabilitation based... but I think our crime problem and crimanal problem has more to do with a base overlay of culture.

 

This became apparent when "mainland" europe went through scandanavian type reforms that later had to be pulled back because they just didn't work as well as they did in Scandanavia.



Slimebeast on 01 October 2012
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Slimebeast said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

People usually don't go around and rape and murder others because they find it enjoyable. They do it because they have shitty lives (probably due to poor upbringing conditions and/or mental issues. Or unexpected events that no one ever would actually choose to go through) and can't properly cope with their situation. No sane person would enjoy going around killing people or put women through abuse.

If you want to make their lives even shittier then feel free to have that opinion. I, on the other hand (along with many others), say we should put them back on track. If video games is an effective method that offers good results for the money then let it happen.

Punishing them for being unfortunate makes no sense.

This is crazy how you make assumptions. Social democrat assumptions.

That's an assumption too.


There's ton of people out there who enjoy mugging and beating random victims on the street.

Yes, but usually they are drunk. If they actually enjoy making others suffer they do have some sort of issues that needs to be dealt with.


Mass murderers like Assad, Khadaffi and Breivik had shitty lives? How do you know that?

Breivik is not a sane person. He felt no guilt or whatsoever after killing dozens of youths. Khadaffi severely lacked sympathy and killed some of his own people. If that lack of sympathy was due to having too much money and influence then granting him video games would not be an appropriate way of dealing with his issues. Remember, I said that usually they have shitty lives. If they didn't, you obviousy may need another method than, for instance, video games to stop theirabusive behavior.


Employers who use slave and child labor for their own profit have shitty lives?

It sounds like they live in a shitty country. But no, they don't necessarily have shitty lives.


All these people who beat their wife or kid have shitty lives?

They sound pretty depressed to me. You don't normally go around and beat up your family because of how much you enjoy life, or use that method to enjoy it even more.

 

The religious people in Pakistan who sentence rape-victims to stoning have shitty lives?

They follow their laws system, which is a completely separate issue.


Video games is obviously not always an appropriate method of rehabilitating criminals. Where did you get that from?

Bottom line: there's no right or wrong behaviour, no good or evil. All actions have a cause and it's as simple as that.

I'll cut it short. This goes back to the free will issue. Morals cease to exist.

 



forest-spirit on 01 October 2012

I don't have a problem with that. While video games are expensive they can provide entertainment for a long time and for a lot of people.