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Khuutra said:

The least harsh (or most intensely focused on rehab) prisons in the world usually have the lowest recidivism rates, right?

I'm sure some Europeans can enlighten me on that point; the US prison system is medieval compared to every prison system in western Europe, but our recidivism rates are way higher

The point here being that "tough justice" has never really prevented crime, not in the history of the first world

Oddly though I think that's reverse causation as counterintutive as it seems.

Countries which are least harsh, tend to have less harsh cultures, with easier criminals and easier prisons.

 

I mean, if we had "Open Prisons" like in denmark.  It wouldn't turn out well.

US prisons should be more rehabilitation based... but I think our crime problem and crimanal problem has more to do with a base overlay of culture.

 

This became apparent when "mainland" europe went through scandanavian type reforms that later had to be pulled back because they just didn't work as well as they did in Scandanavia.