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ethomaz on 27 September 2012

pokoko said:

As for the OP, Microsoft tried to buy up timed exclusives at the start of the generation, but I don't think it worked out well for them.  Their new practice of buying up exclusive DLC seems to be the better route.  They're trying to entice people to buy 3rd party titles on their system and it's working reasonably well.  I don't think they have to change that model for the next gen.

I agree with that.

The exclusive content is a factor to consider between one version and another plus the bundled special editions too... Call of Duty is a franchise that growed with 360 deu the deals with it with the famous bundles and special edition to boost sales.



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crissindahouse on 27 September 2012

if only first party games would count, pc gamers would have 0, damn the pc is really not worth to buy as gaming platform^^



kain_kusanagi on 27 September 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kain_kusanagi said:
ethomaz said:

kain_kusanagi said:

The OP's logic is flawed and so is yours. The Gears of War series is published by MS and therefore it matters. Sony buys up developers and MS makes deals for publishing rights. The end result is the same.

ME1 is an exeption. There are always going to be special cases.

All that matters is what was published by Sony and MS.

So I do not understand your point. Geasr is not either exclusive or first-party.


Don't tell me your one of those guys who thinks that if it's also on MS Windows it isn't exclusive. Even if that were the case, only the first Gears of War got a MS Windows port. All the rest are only available on Xbox 360. But it doesn't matter. If MS publishes a title, it is essentialy theirs with an exception here or there.

Like I said. Sony and MS just go about things differently. Sony buys out devs to get exclusives. MS buys publishing rights to get exclusives. The end result is the same. Exclusive games published by them.

It doesn't matter how you define 1st party games because what really matters is if the games were published by Sony or Microsoft.


So why is Alan Wake on PC? This essentially means that is anyone is has PC sensibilities they can overlook the Xbox knowing exactly where Microsoft will go for their exclusives.


MS publishes games on MS Windows for the same reason MS publishes games on MS Xbox 360. Both a MS platforms and MS wants you to buy at least one of them to play MS exclusive games. Plain and simple.



D-Joe on 27 September 2012
pokoko said:
kain_kusanagi said:
ethomaz said:

kain_kusanagi said:

The OP's logic is flawed and so is yours. The Gears of War series is published by MS and therefore it matters. Sony buys up developers and MS makes deals for publishing rights. The end result is the same.

ME1 is an exeption. There are always going to be special cases.

All that matters is what was published by Sony and MS.

So I do not understand your point. Geasr is not either exclusive or first-party.


Don't tell me your one of those guys who thinks that if it's also on MS Windows it isn't exclusive. Even if that were the case, only the first Gears of War got a MS Windows port. All the rest are only available on Xbox 360. But it doesn't matter. If MS publishes a title, it is essentialy theirs with an exception here or there.

Like I said. Sony and MS just go about things differently. Sony buys out devs to get exclusives. MS buys publishing rights to get exclusives. The end result is the same. Exclusive games published by them.

It doesn't matter how you define 1st party games because what really matters is if the games were published by Sony or Microsoft.

As for the OP, Microsoft tried to buy up timed exclusives at the start of the generation, but I don't think it worked out well for them.  Their new practice of buying up exclusive DLC seems to be the better route.  They're trying to entice people to buy 3rd party titles on their system and it's working reasonably well.  I don't think they have to change that model for the next gen.

But they already changed,they opened 10+ studios since 2010 not just for fun



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S.T.A.G.E. on 27 September 2012
kain_kusanagi said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kain_kusanagi said:
ethomaz said:

kain_kusanagi said:

The OP's logic is flawed and so is yours. The Gears of War series is published by MS and therefore it matters. Sony buys up developers and MS makes deals for publishing rights. The end result is the same.

ME1 is an exeption. There are always going to be special cases.

All that matters is what was published by Sony and MS.

So I do not understand your point. Geasr is not either exclusive or first-party.


Don't tell me your one of those guys who thinks that if it's also on MS Windows it isn't exclusive. Even if that were the case, only the first Gears of War got a MS Windows port. All the rest are only available on Xbox 360. But it doesn't matter. If MS publishes a title, it is essentialy theirs with an exception here or there.

Like I said. Sony and MS just go about things differently. Sony buys out devs to get exclusives. MS buys publishing rights to get exclusives. The end result is the same. Exclusive games published by them.

It doesn't matter how you define 1st party games because what really matters is if the games were published by Sony or Microsoft.


So why is Alan Wake on PC? This essentially means that is anyone is has PC sensibilities they can overlook the Xbox knowing exactly where Microsoft will go for their exclusives.


MS publishes games on MS Windows for the same reason MS publishes games on MS Xbox 360. Both a MS platforms and MS wants you to buy at least one of them to play MS exclusive games. Plain and simple.

Windows Live is a joke any everyone who plays PC knows it (Especially those guys playing Dark Souls right now. Hi there!). Microsoft isnt the only publisher of Alan Wake on PC. Remedy and Nordic are also publishing the game on PC.



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sales2099 on 27 September 2012

Halo has always been the jewel in MS's crown. Whenever you see people bash Halo, remember they are the vocal minority. All main Halo titles are above 90 on meta and sell amazing



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

S.T.A.G.E. on 27 September 2012
sales2099 said:
Halo has always been the jewel in MS's crown. Whenever you see people bash Halo, remember they are the vocal minority. All main Halo titles are above 90 on meta and sell amazing


Tis true, thats Microsofts crowning purchase.



Horrorfest on 27 September 2012
kain_kusanagi said:

I think you'd be surprised if you looked at the full list of published titles.

Total Exclusives (Acording to Wikipedia):

Sony Published Exclusives: 65

MS Published Exclusives: 73

Source

Here are the lists. I'm sure there are a few descrpencies or mistakes. But even if the 360 list had several mistakes it's pretty clear to me that the PS3 does not have a substantial advantage in published games.

Microsoft Published Exclusives:

Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts Rare Ltd. Microsoft Game Studios Yes November 11, 2008
Blue Dragon Mistwalker Microsoft Game Studios Yes October 25, 2011
Codename: Class3 Undead Labs Microsoft Game Studios Yes TBA
Codename: Class4 Undead Labs Microsoft Game Studios Yes TBA
Crackdown[2] Real Time Worlds Microsoft Game Studios Yes February 20, 2007
Crackdown 2 Ruffian Games Microsoft Game Studios Yes July 6, 2010
Dance Central 2 Harmonix Music Systems Microsoft Game Studios Yes October 25, 2011
Dance Central 3 Harmonix Music Systems Microsoft Game Studios Yes 2012
Deadlight Tequila Works Microsoft Game Studios Yes August 1, 2012
Diabolical Pitch Grasshopper Manufacture Microsoft Game Studios Yes April 4, 2012
The Dishwasher: Dead Samurai Ska Studios Microsoft Game Studios Yes April 1, 2009
The Dishwasher: Vampire Smile Ska Studios Microsoft Game Studios Yes April 6, 2011
Dust: An Elysian Tail Humble Hearts Microsoft Game Studios Yes August 15, 2012
Every Party Game Republic Microsoft Game Studios Yes December 10, 2005
Fable II Lionhead Studios Microsoft Game Studios Yes October 21, 2008
Fable Heroes Lionhead Studios Microsoft Game Studios Yes May 2, 2012
Fable: The Journey Lionhead Studios Microsoft Game Studios Yes TBA
Forza Horizon Turn 10 Studios/Playground Games Microsoft Game Studios Yes October 23, 2012
Forza Motorsport 2 Turn 10 Studios Microsoft Game Studios Yes May 24, 2007
Forza Motorsport 3 Turn 10 Studios Microsoft Game Studios Yes October 23, 2009
Forza Motorsport 4 Turn 10 Studios Microsoft Game Studios Yes October 11, 2011
Fuzion Frenzy 2 Hudson Soft Microsoft Game Studios Yes January 30, 2007
Gears of War 2 Epic Games Microsoft Game Studios Yes November 7, 2008
Gears of War 3 Epic Games Microsoft Game Studios Yes September 20, 2011
Gears of War: Judgement People Can Fly/Epic Games Microsoft Game Studios Yes TBA - 2013
Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary 343 Industries & Certain Affinity Microsoft Game Studios Yes November 14, 2011
Halo 3 Bungie Microsoft Game Studios Yes September 25, 2007
Halo 3: ODST Bungie Microsoft Game Studios Yes September 22, 2009
Halo 4 343 Industries Microsoft Game Studios Yes November 6, 2012
Halo: Reach Bungie Microsoft Game Studios Yes September 14, 2010
Halo Wars Ensemble Studios Microsoft Game Studios Yes February 26, 2009
Hybrid 5th Cell Microsoft Game Studios Yes August 8, 2012
Infinite Undiscovery tri-Ace Microsoft Game Studios Yes September 2, 2008
Iron Brigade Double Fine Productions Microsoft Game Studios Yes June 11, 2011 (as Trenched)
 Kameo: Elements of Power Rare Ltd. Microsoft Game Studios Yes November 9, 2005
Kinectimals Frontier Developments Microsoft Game Studios Yes November 4, 2010
Kinect Adventures Good Science Studio Microsoft Game Studios Yes November 4, 2010
Kinect Disneyland Adventures Frontier Developments Microsoft Game Studios Yes November 15, 2011
Kinect Fun Labs Good Science Studio Microsoft Game Studios Yes June 8, 2011
Kinect Joy Ride BigPark Microsoft Game Studios Yes November 4, 2010
Kinect Nat Geo TV Relentless Software Microsoft Game Studios Yes September 2012
Kinect Sports Rare Microsoft Game Studios Yes November 4, 2010
Kinect Sports: Season Two Rare Microsoft Game Studios Yes 2011
Kinect Star Wars LucasArts & Terminal Reality Microsoft Game Studios Yes April 3, 2012
Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom Blueside Microsoft Game Studios Yes December 13, 2007
Lips iNiS Microsoft Game Studios Yes November 18, 2008
Lips: Canta en Español iNiS Microsoft Game Studios Yes November 13, 2009
Lips: Deutsche Partyknaller iNiS Microsoft Game Studios Yes November 13, 2009
Lips: I ♥ the 80s iNiS Microsoft Game Studios Yes April 2, 2010
Lips: Number One Hits iNiS Microsoft Game Studios Yes October 20, 2009
Lips: Party Classics iNiS Microsoft Game Studios Yes February 26, 2010
Lost Odyssey Mistwalker Microsoft Game Studios Yes December 6, 2007
Mark of the Ninja Klei Entertainment Microsoft Game Studios Yes September 7, 2012
Ninety-Nine Nights Q Entertainment/Phantagram Microsoft Game Studios Yes April 20, 2006
Ninety-Nine Nights II Q Entertainment/Feelplus Microsoft Game Studios Yes June 29, 2010
 Perfect Dark Zero Rare Ltd. Microsoft Game Studios Yes November 18, 2005
Project Gotham Racing 3 Bizarre Creations Microsoft Game Studios Yes November 22, 2005
Project Gotham Racing 4 Bizarre Creations Microsoft Game Studios Yes October 2, 2007
Ryse Crytek Microsoft Game Studios Yes TBA
Scene It? Box Office Smash Krome Studios/WXP Microsoft Game Studios Yes October 28, 2008
Scene It? Lights, Camera, Action Screenlife/WXP Microsoft Game Studios Yes November 6, 2007
Too Human Silicon Knights Microsoft Game Studios Yes August 19, 2008
Toy Soldiers Signal Studios Microsoft Game Studios Console March 3, 2010
Toy Soldiers: Cold War Signal Studios Microsoft Game Studios Yes August 17, 2010
Trials HD RedLynx Microsoft Game Studios Yes October 12, 2009
Viva Piñata: Party Animals Krome Studios Microsoft Game Studios Yes October 30, 2007
Viva Piñata: Trouble in Paradise Rare Ltd. Microsoft Game Studios Yes September 2, 2008
Fez Polytron Microsoft Game Studios, Trapdoor Yes April 13, 2012
Xbox Live Arcade Unplugged Vol. 1 Compilation Microsoft Games Studio Yes September 5, 2006
Kinect Rush: A Disney-Pixar Adventure Asobo Microsoft Studios Yes March 20, 2012
Kinect Sesame Street TV Microsoft Studios - Soho Productions Microsoft Studios Yes September 2012
Nike+ Kinect Training Sumo Digital Microsoft Studios Yes TBA 2012
The Gunstringer Twisted Pixel Games Microsoft Studios Yes September 16, 2011
Dance Central Harmonix Music Systems MTV Games Yes November 4, 2010

 

Sony Published Exclusives:

Aquanaut's Holiday: Hidden Memories Artdink Sony Computer Entertainment Yes September 25, 2008
Everybody's Golf 5 Clap Hanz, SCE Japan Studio Sony Computer Entertainment Yes March 18, 2008
The Shoot Cohort Studios Sony Computer Entertainment Yes October 19, 2010
Twisted Metal Eat Sleep Play Sony Computer Entertainment Yes February 14, 2012
Calling All Cars! Eat Sleep Play, Incognito Entertainment Sony Computer Entertainment Yes May 10, 2007
MotorStorm Evolution Studios Sony Computer Entertainment Yes March 6, 2007
MotorStorm: Pacific Rift Evolution Studios Sony Computer Entertainment Yes October 28, 2008
MotorStorm: Apocalypse Evolution Studios Sony Computer Entertainment Yes March 16, 2011
Closure Eyebrow Interactive Sony Computer Entertainment Yes March 27, 2012
Lair Factor 5 Sony Computer Entertainment Yes August 31, 2007
Demon's Souls From Software Sony Computer Entertainment Yes February 5, 2009
Folklore Game Republic Sony Computer Entertainment Yes October 12, 2007
Killzone 2 Guerilla Games Sony Computer Entertainment Yes February 25, 2009
Killzone 3 Guerilla Games Sony Computer Entertainment Yes February 22, 2011
Dead Nation Housemarque Sony Computer Entertainment Yes November 30, 2010
Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction Insomniac Games Sony Computer Entertainment Yes October 23, 2007
Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time Insomniac Games Sony Computer Entertainment Yes October 27, 2009
Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One Insomniac Games Sony Computer Entertainment Yes October 18, 2011
Resistance: Fall of Man Insomniac Games Sony Computer Entertainment Yes November 17, 2006
Resistance 2 Insomniac Games Sony Computer Entertainment Yes November 4, 2008
Resistance 3 Insomniac Games Sony Computer Entertainment Yes September 6, 2011
White Knight Chronicles Level-5, SCE Japan Studio Sony Computer Entertainment Yes December 25, 2008
White Knight Chronicles 2 Level-5, SCE Japan Studio Sony Computer Entertainment Yes July 8, 2010
Boku no Natsuyasumi 3 Millennium Kitchen Sony Computer Entertainment Yes July 5, 2007
The Last of Us Naughty Dog Sony Computer Entertainment Yes TBA 2013
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune Naughty Dog Sony Computer Entertainment Yes November 20, 2007
Uncharted 2: Among Thieves Naughty Dog Sony Computer Entertainment Yes October 13, 2009
Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception Naughty Dog Sony Computer Entertainment Yes November 1, 2011
PlayStation Move Heroes Nihilistic Software Sony Computer Entertainment Yes March 22, 2011
Heavenly Sword Ninja Theory Sony Computer Entertainment Yes September 12, 2007
Gran Turismo 5 Polyphony Digital Sony Computer Entertainment Yes November 30, 2010
Gran Turismo 5: Prologue Polyphony Digital Sony Computer Entertainment Yes April 15, 2009
PixelJunk Racers Q-Games Sony Computer Entertainment Yes September 13, 2007
Beyond: Two Souls Quantic Dream Sony Computer Entertainment Yes Q1 2013
Heavy Rain Quantic Dream Sony Computer Entertainment Yes February 18, 2010
Buzz!: Quiz TV Relentless Software Sony Computer Entertainment Yes July 4, 2008
TV Superstars SCE Cambridge Studio Sony Computer Entertainment Yes October 26, 2010
Ape Escape Fury! Fury! SCE Japan Studio Sony Computer Entertainment Yes December 9, 2010
The Eye of Judgment SCE Japan Studio Sony Computer Entertainment Yes October 24, 2007
Kung Fu Rider SCE Japan Studio Sony Computer Entertainment Yes September 17, 2010
Siren: Blood Curse SCE Japan Studio Sony Computer Entertainment Yes July 24, 2008
SingStar SCE London Studio Sony Computer Entertainment Yes December 7, 2007
SingStar: Vol. 2 SCE London Studio Sony Computer Entertainment Yes June 20, 2008
SingStar: Vol. 3 SCE London Studio Sony Computer Entertainment Yes November 14, 2008
SingStar Dance SCE London Studio Sony Computer Entertainment Yes November 5, 2010
Sports Champions SCE San Diego Studio, Zindagi Games Sony Computer Entertainment Yes September 17, 2010
God of War 3 SCE Santa Monica Studio Sony Computer Entertainment Yes March 16, 2010
SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Confrontation Slant Six Games Sony Computer Entertainment Yes October 14, 2008
Derby Time Online Sony Computer Entertainment Sony Computer Entertainment Yes November 13, 2008
inFamous Sucker Punch Productions Sony Computer Entertainment Yes May 26, 2009
inFamous 2 Sucker Punch Productions Sony Computer Entertainment Yes June 7, 2011
inFamous: Festival of Blood Sucker Punch Productions Sony Computer Entertainment Yes October 25, 2011
Start the Party Supermassive Games Sony Computer Entertainment Yes September 17, 2010
The Last Guardian Team Ico Sony Computer Entertainment Yes TBA
Journey Thatgamecompany Sony Computer Entertainment Yes March 13, 2012
Sorcery The Workshop Sony Computer Entertainment Yes May 22, 2012
ModNation Racers United Front Games Sony Computer Entertainment Console May 19, 2010
MAG Zipper Interactive Sony Computer Entertainment Yes January 26, 2010
SOCOM 4 Zipper Interactive Sony Computer Entertainment Yes April 19, 2011
Warhawk Incognito Studios Sony Computer Entertainment America Yes August 28, 2007
LittleBigPlanet Media Molecule Sony Computer Entertainment Europe Yes October 1, 2008
LittleBigPlanet 2 Media Molecule Sony Computer Entertainment Europe Yes January 18, 2011
Wipeout HD SCE Studio Liverpool Sony Computer Entertainment Europe Yes September 25, 2008
Afrika Rhino Studios Sony Computer Entertainment, Natsume Yes August 28, 2008
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom Sony Online Entertainment Sony Online Entertainment Yes November 15, 2006


90% of the xbox list is garbage. No one can deny it's a fact that PS3 has a more varied and better quantity of exclusives. Also, GT5 out sold Gears 3 and will probably out sell Halo 3 and or Reach. So much for PS3 exclusives over selling, look at those Forza bundle sales :p



iFlow on 27 September 2012
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Are you simply suggesting that some of the Halo 4 revenues can/might be used to support new first party titles?


Well, I don't see how that wouldn't make sense. If they can afford taking more risks then that's great.


I mean that if 343 succeeds with Halo 4 then Microsoft may gain trust in newwe developers and IPs. 343 could show MS that risks can be great and rewarding. By risks, I mean signing new developers and making new IPs. 

We all know that it would take a great company and a lot of trust from Microsoft to let a studio take the reigns of such a great franchise. Microsoft took the risk by having 343 develop Halo 4. Hopefully, there will be more risks in the future with new developers and IPs.

Sorry if that didn't make any sense, Thursdays are my Kyptonite.



S.T.A.G.E. on 27 September 2012

Holy crap Horror, that was a good post. LOL @ Microsoft there. I have to hand it to them though Lost Odyssey was a great catch. They can definitely count on Sakaguchis hatred of Sony, but if Sakaguchi wants more money he knows where to go. :)