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Nintendo should

be more like Sony in gene... 35 19.55%
 
have at least one studio like Team Ico. 53 29.61%
 
not bother with the segment. 91 50.84%
 
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I prefer to have 3 unique companies when it comes to games. With that said, I prefer SONY's approach looking at what we have now. I don't want Nintendo to do what SONY does (don't ever expect them to, either) but I would like to see Nintendo try a few new things, though.



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happydolphin said:

Well, you have heard for the longest time that Nintendo has the best IPs. Well, with the PS2 and PS3 it looked like Sony was in for the kill, and gave us franchises like the Team Ico games, Uncharted and some amazing upgrades to the Gran Turismo series.

Now of course you will tell me "What about Little Big Planet?", "What about Killzone", "What about this" and "that".

Well, I'm talking about some of the most amazing video games of all time, and I'm talking about those I mentioned in the first paragraph. It's my opinion that the games listed there are some of the best games I have ever played in terms of immersion and gaming bliss.


You simply can't ignore God of War. 

God of War has the biggest dedicated fan base out of all of Sony's IPs (https://www.facebook.com/godofwar.page?ref=ts), it's Sony's #1 most critically acclaimed and 2nd best-selling IP, whether you personally like it or not is irrelevant, if you're going to list a bunch of classic Playstation IPs you can't leave out the genre dominating God of War series. 

Team Ico games are nothing special, they sell very poorly and barely scrape by the right to be called critically acclaimed, LittleBigPlanet however is a successful and significant Sony IP. The Uncharted series is hardly any more significant or well-made than the Resistance, Killzone, Ratchet & Clank or Infamous series, only Uncharted 2 is commonly praised by a lot of people whereas Uncharted Vita and the first Uncharted received a universal 'meh' and Uncharted 3 is widely considered a disappointing sequel. Also every game in the series besides the first Uncharted has been massively bundled which makes them appear to roll with the truly big Sony IPs like Gran Turismo and God of War when really it isn't a big IP at all, it's just middling. 

And to answer your question, no. Nintendo should not 'copy' Sony. If you like the style of Sony's IPs then buy a Sony platform, same applies if you like the style of the IPs from Nintendo, Microsoft etc.



happydolphin said:
phenom08 said:
happydolphin said:
phenom08 said:

And yet now Sony is in last, please stop living in the past lol. The Wii is less spectacular in what regard lol? They both won their generations, are you that upset over Sony losing. Taking cues from Sony? What cues does Ninty need to take? This is just Sony fans trying to feel like Sony is doing well.

I'm a Nintendo fan >.>

And I'm a Sony fan :/ Don't really see your point, and again what does Ninty need to learn from Sony?

Are you suffering from some sort of dementia?

"And yet now Sony is in last, please stop living in the past"

"are you that upset over Sony losing"

"This is just Sony fans trying to feel like Sony is doing well."

-phenom08.

The internet is filled with all kinds of people.

i was being sarcastic, when I said I was a Sony fan. So in other words I was saying I don't believe you are a Ninty fan. If you are so what? Again I ask, what does Ninty need to learn from Sony?



ClassicGamingWizzz said:
happydolphin said:
phenom08 said:
happydolphin said:
phenom08 said:

And yet now Sony is in last, please stop living in the past lol. The Wii is less spectacular in what regard lol? They both won their generations, are you that upset over Sony losing. Taking cues from Sony? What cues does Ninty need to take? This is just Sony fans trying to feel like Sony is doing well.

I'm a Nintendo fan >.>

And I'm a Sony fan :/ Don't really see your point, and again what does Ninty need to learn from Sony?

Are you suffering from some sort of dementia?

"And yet now Sony is in last, please stop living in the past"

"are you that upset over Sony losing"

"This is just Sony fans trying to feel like Sony is doing well."

-phenom08.

The internet is filled with all kinds of people.


lol i was thinking the same

I was being sarcastic. I was pretty much saying he isn't a Ninty fan and I really don't care if he is or isn't. He ignored my question again.



happydolphin said:
amp316 said:

Yeah, I'm not a big TP fan myself.  To me it was OoT except longer and more boring.

When you say that they need to hire professionals, do you mean something like maybe the guys that worked Xenoblade Chronicles helping out with Zelda?       

Or maybe ex-Sony employees from ND or Team Ico. To be honest I've never played XB. I know I should, but anyways I haven't. From what I saw it pulls from the world of fantasy. But have you played Shadow of the Colossus? It's incredible and goes beyond fantasy into the surreal.

No, I haven't played it.  I will say that it does look really good though.  

I'm not going to buy a PS3 either.  All my money gets thrown blindly in Nintendo's direction. 



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If there is one Sony Studio that I would want Nintendo to aspire to and have similar in their collection, it would be Naughty Dog.

It's ridiculous to suggest that Nintendo should copy Sony and try to have a Team Ico type studio... those guys haven't released a new game since the PS2.

What I love about Sony is all the new IPs that they put their full budget behind... what I don't like about Sony is that their hardware/software teams don't work with any kind of harmony. It's their hardware engineers that are the bad part of the equation... working in secrecy, creating stuff that is hard to work with, creating stuff that is expensive and out of consumer ranges and not allocating enough of their talent on cost reduction efforts to stay competitive and profitable in the marketplace.

I am really hoping that Kaz Hirai can turn that ship around because it's headed right into an iceberg and then off a damn high cliff.



happydolphin said:
HabinoBR said:
MontanaHatchet said:

 They should copy how to get good games. They should copy how to get good games from the PS3. Nah mean?

CLOSE TOPIC

Just leave if you want the topic closed. I so want to flame you right now but I don't want to get banned. Seriously, what a needless post.

You come in a thread that I took the time to make, you follow-up to a post that I'm already unsure how on topic it is just to say CLOSE TOPIC.

HabinoBR, you are not wanted in the thread.

Wow :( I just found Chad Warden funny, thats all...

 

But yeah lemme keep it OT, I'm sorry for expressing my "lol"  expression on that Chad Warden face badly: I think the industry should learn from its competition, I would love to see a Gran Turismo-esque game by Nintendo, on the same way I wanna see a Pokemon wise game by Sony.



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happydolphin said:
Jay520 said:
Your post is confusing. I'm not sure what you mean by Nintendo copying Sony. In what way, specifically, should Nintendo copy Sony.

If you mean Nintendo should copy Sony and make excellent games, then I disagree. Nintendo already makes excellent games.

And even if Nintendo didn't already make quality games, and then later decided to make quality games, that wouldn't be an act of copying Sony. Making quality games isn't intrinsically associated with Sony. Plenty of companies make quality games. It's not just Sony. So, making quality games wouldn't mean they're copying Sony.

If of course that's what you mean when you say Nintendo should copy Sony. I'm not really sure the point you're trying to stress.

You need to reread the OP. I'll give you pointers:

1) Above and beyond fantasy, to the point of surrealism. (read Team Ico)

2) The best games I've ever played (read quality vs classic).

3) Nintendo makes games more for kids. Read quality vs genre or taste/segment.

Then post again.

Sorry I'm late to the party on this one.

A few thoughts.

First of all, I think there is a big danger here of confusing descriptive terms with normative ones. Many words that video game enthusiasts and critics use to describe games -- dark, mature, epic, cinematic, surreal -- are useful in describing a video game, but not useful in assigning value.

Moreover, and I'm sure I'm in the minority on this, I believe video games should be moving farther away from movies, not closing in on them. Video games are a unique medium, and I think the closer the industry moves toward Hollywood, the worse it is for both.

That being said, the games you mentioned are of course brilliant. Ico is in my opinion the finest PS2 game, and Shadow of the Colossus is in the top 5. Nintendo should borrow from those games because they are mechanically sound, emotionally powerful, and fun to play. Not because they're darker or more sinister, or even more cinematic or surreal than Nintendo's own IPs.

Lastly, I think we have to but a moratorium on the "Nintendo makes games for kids" canard. Nintendo makes games for everyone. Some are good, some are bad, some are the greatest games of all time.



phenom08 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Fayceless said:

"games that are for kids" = entire argument is invalid.

No, really.  Games like Zelda and Metroid and Super Mario are not made for kids.  They are made for anyone who enjoys games.  If you write off any game (other than those obviously "early development"-type games) as "for kids" you are only limiting yourself as to what you can enjoy.  While I love SotC-type games and those with "mature" stories (lol-the term "mature" makes me laugh when applied to video games)... I still very much enjoy Nintendo's games like Pikmin and Mario and Pokemon.

As for whether or not Nintendo should copy Sony, why should they?  Sony is not the paragon of good business strategy.  Many people enjoy their games, but those games aren't keeping the company, nor the gaming department, in the black.  Nintendo doesn't particularly excel at that sort of story-telling, so they leave it up to second and third partied to make those sorts of games, and they are right to do so.  Nintendo does what it does best, and nobody does it better.

Nintendo applys the light-hearted and child-like (with color scales and all) approach to games, which is why they are considered the disney of videogames. They are made to attract children and generally casuals. You'll find this is true with Nintendo products being more dear to women and children than any other brand and actually sharing a proper percentage of sales between males and females. The DS was like 50/50 in sales between both genders where as the others were dominated by men. I am sure the Wii was somewhere up there too.  It's not that Nintendo isn't good at making certain games...it's that they don't want to because their first part represents them as a company.

Yep just look at Fire Emblem, Metroid, Zelda, Captain Falcon, Xenoblade, and The Last Story. All clearly for the kids and casual lol. Instead of seeing what you want to see how about actually back things up with proof. If Ninty is for children because of Mario and the Wii games then so is Sony because of the LBP franchise, Move games, and Wonderbook. Why do you ignore Ninty's core titles?


Zelda is mostly for kids even though it had a very good battle/exploration system. The game is very approachable to adults...except for the GC version in style. Metroid is the only solitary first party title Nintendo has made that could pass for a near mature title and there you have it, Nintendos least popular title. The Uncharted franchise in five games will outsell the whole Metroid series because thats just it, when you take the light hearted everyone games out of  equation sales drop. F-Zero....yeah....anyway, the rest are third party.

Sony...couldn't market to casuals if the tried (and they have). Sony is confined to the hardcore. The hardcore mentality is even in their commercials. Look at the salute to gamers commercial and the more comical move commercials. You cannot attract people to the move, it forces you to actually use  your body. Outside of lacking the proper software the move tech was sound, and demanded you actually follow through with your movements instead of being coddled and halfassing movements on the Wii. Sony is trying to catch the eye of the casuals to increase sales, but they need to think of many things including a color scheme specifically for children with bright solid tones. Their characters have to have memorable faces much like Nintendo. Nintendo attracts casuals like moth to a flame. It did for me when I was a really, really young and I am sure it did for you as well.



Nintendo should............... NEVER be like sony.