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Forums - Nintendo - Wii U's GPGPU Squashes Xbox 360, PS3; Capable Of DirectX 11 Equivalent Graphics

dahuman on 20 September 2012
pezus said:
superchunk said:
pezus said:

But like I and others said in that other thread, there's no need for a $599 PS4 for the leap to be substantial. 

1. No expensive blu-ray drive this time around

2. It's coming at least 7 years after PS3 came out (8 years for 720 vs. 360). As a comparison, PS3 came 6 years after the PS2 and 360 came ~4 years after Xbox. People tend to forget this point.

3. Do you know how much tech has advanced in these years? 

Did you actually read Viper's YEN based costs for next-gen? A PS4 cannot be more than 10k over the Wii U without creating a scenario where they are $600 in NA/EU. With that in mind, there is no way Sony will have the tech that will be greatly more powerful than what Wii U already has with only a year difference between launches.

Wii U will be able to have 100% of the same games and game quality as its competitors.

All three next-gen are probably going to be considered around 5-8x more powerful than current gen vs the massive jump from PS2 to PS3.

Huh. Nothing here is grounded in reality. Wii U will be able to 100% of the same games? How so? 

Wii U 5x-8x more powerful than PS3/360? Huh


current PC GPUs are at least 24x more powerful than the one in the 360, so even if it's 5x-8x more powerful after 7 years, would you really be surprised? I still say the primary bottleneck is the RAM usage, IMO anyways.



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Viper1 on 20 September 2012
Pavolink said:
We know GPGPU is powerful, but what about the CPU? Could it be real for it to be a 3-Broadway (Wii) with some watson features/caracteristics?

Not really.   Broadway was PowerPC.   Wii U is Power7.

The PowerPC 750 CL that Broadway was based on wouldn't really work well in a multicore set up anyway.



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nuckles87 on 20 September 2012
Panama said:
There were solid GPUs back in 2010 capable of DX11 for under $99. I'm not very happy with 'equivalent'. Granted console GPUs are a different beast from their PC counterparts.


It has to be "equivlant" because only Microsoft can use DirectX. The PS3 also utilizes DirectX9 requivalent, and the PS4 will utilize DirectX11 equivolent. Unless Nintendo wants to license it from MS, they can't use DirectX.



Kenology on 20 September 2012
pezus said:
Kenology said:
pezus said:
Kenology said:
I'm going to mention this in this thread too, just so everyone can see it.

If PS4/720 isn't the quantum leap over current gen that everyone expects and it's a less significant jump up, sort of like what we're seeing with Wii U's first gen games, I'm wondering if these guys will start changing their tune and start singing Sony/MS's praises and suddenly marginal steps are ok.

We'll see. Can't wait to see how big of a leap those consoles will be and how fans react after knocking the Wii U. I anticipate hypocrisy if it plays out like that.

Why in the world would the leap be marginal? Why even release new consoles then? Sony and MS don't make consoles around new control schemes like Nintendo have been doing lately. Well MS might

We already had this discussion in another thread.

The cost of a monumental leap that you guys might be expecting just doesn't make sense from an economic standpoint.  Sure, if Sony wants to release another $599.99, cutting-edge box with even higher entry dev costs, they can go right ahead...  I don't think they can go too crazy with their usual razor and blades strategy - even though you're rich pezus and would be able to afford it, you can't support Sony all by yourself!  My guess is that the PS4 & 360 won't be the quantum leap you all are expecting, and when you guys find that out, suddenly marginal leaps won't be such a bad thing like it is with the Wii U.  :)

But like I and others said in that other thread, there's no need for a $599 PS4 for the leap to be substantial. 

1. No expensive blu-ray drive this time around

2. It's coming at least 7 years after PS3 came out (8 years for 720 vs. 360). As a comparison, PS3 came 6 years after the PS2 and 360 came ~4 years after Xbox. People tend to forget this point.

3. Do you know how much tech has advanced in these years? 

I'm not a technophile to that extent, so I don't oogle over new engines and the like if that's what you mean.

But a quantum leap would still be an expensive box, with or without a Blu-Ray drive. But it doesn't matter.  No way we can continue this convo until we know what MS and Sony are doing.  So we'll revisit this conversation again in the near future.



Squilliam on 20 September 2012

There are games releasing on the Wii U which are sub-HD including the display on the pad, two screens combined.



Tease.

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DieAppleDie on 20 September 2012

Squilliam
and your point is...........?



Roma on 20 September 2012
Squilliam said:
There are games releasing on the Wii U which are sub-HD including the display on the pad, two screens combined.

Which means WiiU is SD!


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JEMC on 20 September 2012
pezus said:
Crono141 said:
pezus said:

1000 dollars? You could get a 600 dollar PC right now that is way more powerful than the Wii U. Keep in mind that the MS and Sony consoles aren't releasing in quite a while

A tower, yes, but not a laptop.  Form factor of the WiiU has much more in common with a laptop than it does with a desktop.  TDP requirements as well.  And that isn't the point I'm making.  I'm not saying you couldn't get a PC with more power than a WiiU for under 1000 dollars.  I'm saying you can't get a gaming laptop that will blow the WiiU away without dropping over 1000 dollars.  More Like 1500.  That is the kind of leap that would have to be made by PS4 or Xbox in order to massively dwarf the capabilities of the WiiU this generation.

Huh. What in the world does a laptop have to do with all this? Will the consoles be shaped like laptops?

Cooling.

It's not the same to cool a hot GPU and a hot CPU on a PC tower with lots of air and fans to move that air out of the case, than trying to do that on a console where case dimensions are much reduced, high rpm fans can't be used due to being too noisy and airflow is very restricted.

Just what happens on a laptop.



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Crono141 on 20 September 2012
JEMC said:
pezus said:
Crono141 said:
pezus said:

1000 dollars? You could get a 600 dollar PC right now that is way more powerful than the Wii U. Keep in mind that the MS and Sony consoles aren't releasing in quite a while

A tower, yes, but not a laptop.  Form factor of the WiiU has much more in common with a laptop than it does with a desktop.  TDP requirements as well.  And that isn't the point I'm making.  I'm not saying you couldn't get a PC with more power than a WiiU for under 1000 dollars.  I'm saying you can't get a gaming laptop that will blow the WiiU away without dropping over 1000 dollars.  More Like 1500.  That is the kind of leap that would have to be made by PS4 or Xbox in order to massively dwarf the capabilities of the WiiU this generation.

Huh. What in the world does a laptop have to do with all this? Will the consoles be shaped like laptops?

Cooling.

It's not the same to cool a hot GPU and a hot CPU on a PC tower with lots of air and fans to move that air out of the case, than trying to do that on a console where case dimensions are much reduced, high rpm fans can't be used due to being too noisy and airflow is very restricted.

Just what happens on a laptop.

Also, TDP is very similar, and related.  You want low TDP chips in your console to keep it cool and quiet, just like your laptop.  And also just like your laptop, components cost a premium to get that low TDP.  If you want to compare performance cost in a home console with a TDP of 200w max, you need to see what laptop components would cost to get a fair idea.  Home consoles have more in common with Laptops than desktops.  Desktops get their power at a 600W plus cost.



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Lusche on 20 September 2012
Crono141 said:

Also, TDP is very similar, and related.  You want low TDP chips in your console to keep it cool and quiet, just like your laptop.  And also just like your laptop, components cost a premium to get that low TDP.  If you want to compare performance cost in a home console with a TDP of 200w max, you need to see what laptop components would cost to get a fair idea.  Home consoles have more in common with Laptops than desktops.  Desktops get their power at a 600W plus cost.


but this is only if you have quadsli or rly old gpu for sli ...

gtx 680 with i7 2600k uses 300w max.

If you use ati you can get away with 200-250w.