I just pre ordered my Wii U Deluxe at bestbuy yesterday, and I also have 4 games on pre order from your list of PS3 games. Why limit yourself to only the PS3? He's obviously joking btw, he loves his 360 :P

I can always bring up the PC argument and blow that completely out the water though, console gen is usually based on time line and not the technology behind it because PC is so much more superior on a graphical scale.

You could try. The PC isn't a console. The next gen engines are being run on PC's which is giving us a visual of what we can expect next gen on consoles. You know very well the very risky titles will be created with highest resolutions on PC but will be marketed more towards the console crowd as thats where the bulk of the profit will come from. New gens come with a chance for new gems.

I love it when people use hardcore and next gen in there arguments thinking they know what there talking about, so based on that logic the ps2 was part of the ps1 generation compared to gamecude and the 360 was part of the gamecube generation??

I don't know man, Valve is definitely up to something, and no, PC is not a console, consoles are just trying more to become like a PC or tablet, it's a constant catch up game, and if it weren't for PC, DD and Microtransaction would still be untested water and you'd have seen another game industry crash without the PC techs advancing.

Anyhow, the UE4 and FOX engines actually don't mean much, Wii U is more current gen graphics considering that it doesn't use DX11 so the tessellation unit won't be depended on that particular API(DX10.1 vs 11 is really not a whole lot of difference other than the tessellation anyways, and the AMD 7 series does have the unit built in that doesn't follow the DX11 standard much like the 360, the engines would just require code tweaking) , while the 360 and PS3 are last gen graphics based on DX9 if you count actual graphical power, as far as graphical specs go, Wii U tech is actually very much on modern PC terms and more powerful than some budget gaming PCs considering consoles don't have like a million background tasks, though more ram for games wouldn't hurt, I'm not so sold on the 1GB only for games part, 1GB for OS is kinda ridiculously big for a console lol, hopefully they optimize the OS and give more to games later down the road.

Perhaps these links will enlighten you:  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4778288 and http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4778438

So what have we learned?  Never trust a crab-guy with a mustache.

hardcore gamer makes no sense anyways, I can play a game hard core, but I'm really just a core gamer as in I play  a lot of games. hardcore gamer is a stupid term.

generation arguments can be tricky though, when I'm talking next generation, on the console side, I look at time line, on the graphical side, I look at PCs, like right now, Wii U is next gen, when it comes out, it will be current gen, PS3 and 360 will be last gen, and the next xbox and ps will also be current gen with Wii U, it's a whole fucked up mess really.

The developers wanted their game to see the light of day. Nintendo was willing to fund and publish the game. Sega wasn't. So P+ games is "betraying" their fans buy doing what they can to make sure the series continues? Really.?

I actually started making a thread on that very subject this morning but I just couldn't get it all to flow together.  I mean, the Wii wasn't much more powerful than an Xbox but it was part of a different generation.  Meanwhile, the 3DO came out like three or four years before the N64 and they are part of the same gen.  And the Neo Geo was waaaaay more powerful than a Genesis but they're the same gen.  It gets confusing.  I think we've reached the point where "generations" are irrelevant and impossible to define.

What I am seeing with WiiU right now is Nintendo giving competitive hardware, good price, but yet again the games lack any "standout" exclusives for me. Its PS3 launch all over again except this time the WiiU has like 70+ games coming early..........but more than half of them are available on PS360 right now and for less. The fact hardened NIN fans/media are saying this is a great line up is a tad hypocritical seeing the flack PS3 and Vita got for so long.

Just like PS3 early on, the hardware is there, but the list of enticing exclusives that would break me to get one aren't there. The 2GBs of ram that WiiU has though is mouth watering, with 1G dedicated to OS stuff there should not be any issues implementing many snazzy features like cross game Vid Chat, ect.