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DaRev on 15 September 2012
SecondWar said:

Been wondering how one of OoSnap's thread keeps getting bumped to the top, normally they die after a few days. Seems Pezus and DaRev are keeping it going.

@Pezus: Have you ever read anything by Christopher Hitchens? From reading you posts think find it quite interesting.


Christianity + Nintendo will survive on this formum - I have found my calling! ha ha



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richardhutnik on 15 September 2012
DaRev said:
SecondWar said:

Been wondering how one of OoSnap's thread keeps getting bumped to the top, normally they die after a few days. Seems Pezus and DaRev are keeping it going.

@Pezus: Have you ever read anything by Christopher Hitchens? From reading you posts think find it quite interesting.


Christianity + Nintendo will survive on this formum - I have found my calling! ha ha

And I read that as: "Christianity + Nintendo will survie on this for mum".

They wil do it for mum!



DaRev on 15 September 2012
Crazymann said:
The fortunate aspect about this thread is that it has remained largely civil, and as light as such a topic can be on the net. However...

* Why do people always seem to immediately bring evolution into the equation as if it somehow immediately obliterates the idea of theism. Religious thinkers for hundreds of years (before Darwin) accepted the metaphorical use of time in Genesis and mechanisms by which both evolution and theism coexist. Sure there are zealots who fight that, but there most Christian people accept evolution... just as moderate Muslim people (while saddened, and hurt) are not advocating the rioting and firebombing going on around the world because of a thoughtless video*.

Or... put another way... there is a common misconception that society believed the world was flat when Columbus sailed in 1492, when (in fact) the educated populous already knew the world was round. Here, too, the educated Christian understands and accepts evolution and how it does not disrupt their core belief system.

* I am not a particularly religious person, though I am married to one. I make a point to study all religions for commonalities, but I would most appropriately be called a "Platonist". Please keep that in mind when I point out that, for as much as people complain that theists are "always forcing their views on others", it is equally true, in my experience (on the net and real life), that atheists are as guilty of such crimes if not more so.

Case in point... someone makes a thread on about a "miracle" that happened to them, and someone else feels compelled immediately to "educate" that person by (a.) pointing out that it was all chance and (b.) calling them ignorant. Now, I am not saying that is the case here, because this is obviously a purposefully incendiary thread, and it has been civil so far... but such events happen often.

What some people need to realize is that (while religious differences have caused - and will cause - strife) the core values of the religions of the world can give direction to the directionless in a dark and confusing world. People often quote Marx, "Religion is the opiate of the people", as an indictment of theism, when (in fact) an opiate of its type may be vital for some people. We all know that that life bombards us with choices, and (often) the easiest choice is far from the best or most constructive. If it is the faith of the people (be it in whatever they choose to name Providence or the philosophy by which they choose to live) that keeps them sane and with purpose, then why should someone else see the need to denigrate those views?

Provided that those views are not harmful or extreme, the only motivations for the unprovoked attack upon and destruction of another's beliefs (beyond proselytising) would be wanton cynicism or insecurity in your own beliefs or intelligence.



* If that is indeed the primary factor of instigation.

well said may good fellow. it seems in the past people found joy in irradicating christian threads on this forum, but never again!

Oh and good job for pre-ordering a WiiU. Is Amazon doing pre-orders - does anyone know?



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DaRev on 15 September 2012
pezus said:
^That's all well and good, but when people go around saying others are going to hell because they don't believe in the same thing they do, that's when I start seeing a problem.


So if you, my friend, are heading towards danger should me being your friend not warn you of that danger? Jesus wanted me, us, Christians, to warn you. You can chose, however, not to accept that warning, but as good Christians we are compelled to warn you. So, please don't be angry about this.



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DélioPT on 15 September 2012
Raido said:
So Jesus did all the miracles in a time, where people could't record it properly with cameras, etc. And now, where we have all these things, no unexplainable miracles happen... Hmm...


Who says it stopped?
Search the web for apparitions by Jesus and Mary and you will see.

Btw, recording with cameras won`t change how people handle what they see. St. Thomas, the disciple is the perfect example of what i`m talking about: despite seeing first hand what Jesus did he still doubted. And you don`t need to look at religion to see that sometimes people just doubt or don`t believe not because of what they experience but because they let fear into their hearts and that fear twists their minds and hearts.



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Jay520 on 15 September 2012
DaRev said:
Jay520 said:
DaRev said:

Ok, were do you think the laws in your little start-up country came from. Do you have laws against killing people, how about laws aganst stealing, do you have sex with little girls in your country or you screw animals in your country?  I'm sure your country has laws agaisnt that kind of stuff (but if it doesn't please do tell). Well, guess what, those laws and many others in your country were BORROWED from God. lol

Actually, laws and rules would come up regardless of there being a god. After being around for a certain amount of time, society would recognize actions which hurt the society (killing, stealing, raping) and would naturally work towards trying to prevent such things. You don't need a God to be moral.

Actaully, that doesn't negate the FACT that God created his law before anyone elses laws. If not so then Prove it!



That's not how proof works. Theists need to claim that God exist using whatever justification available. Then....its my job to disprove that justification. If proof worked in the way you say it works (disprove it or its true), then that would mean I'm right too, since you cant prove I'm wrong. Obviously, we can't both be right. Someone has the job of proving something. That person is you.

DaRev on 15 September 2012
Runa216 said:
DaRev said:
Runa216 said:
Raido said:
So Jesus did all the miracles in a time, where people could't record it properly with cameras, etc. And now, where we have all these things, no unexplainable miracles happen... Hmm...

Don't expect logic from religion, that's kind of the point. 


really? religion says don't steal or sleep with another man's wife - is that hard for you to understand why? or do you need a sign as well, on why such is bad?

Decency is not the same thing as logic.  


really? why? I can think logically why decency is a good thing. Is it illogical to do so? Please, explain your wisdom and how you are able to separate decency from logic - the floor is yours, writer.



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Jay520 on 15 September 2012
DaRev said:

Nope, truth is truth, there cannot be more than one truth, truth either agrees with truth or its not true or all the truth. You don't have to study every religion, pal, just study the true one. If you think the true one is, e.g. Islam, then go study that, which I'm sure if you did, WITH AN OPEN MIND you would run into some untruths. Christianity on the other is truth, study that WITH AN OPEN MIND, and I'm sure if you did you you will only find truth. Truth it is better to love your fellow man, truth!

Now, because Christianity is truth, there is no need study anything else, because you have already found the truth, so why look for it somewhere else? E.g if H2O = Water or E = mc2, why you going to look for that truth again, when you already found it?



Okay, a few questions.

1.) There are untrooths with Islam? How Do you know? Have you studied Islam to know if its true or not?

2.) If you have studied Islam, then what are the untrooths of Islam?

3.) I have studied Christianity with an open-mind and I think its false. Therefore, can I safely say Christianity is false?

4.) What if I study another religion with an open-mind and find that religion is true? How would I be able to know for sure?



DaRev on 15 September 2012
Runa216 said:
DaRev said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
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Kantor said:
Jay520 said:
I haven't read the last 67 posts. What's going on?!? Someone update me! I'm bored and I want in on this action!!!

DaRev said that we have to follow God's rules because it's his world and that if you believe in Lincoln, you have to believe in God.

Everyone else disagrees.

As usual, OoSnap is nowhere to be found.

ha ha well it looks like its 'me against the world baby'. But I got a secret weapon,....shhh I actaully know what I'm talking about, unlike those opponents in here talking out their butts. Trying to debate something they have not studied or have no experience about, lol. I really dond't get it, how do non-religious people expect to debate religion with a religious person and expect to win? ha ha, you all should stick to talking about games.


I was Christian for 16 years, went to a Christian pre-school and visited church every Sunday throughout my childhood. Surely that's a sufficient amount of experience.


really? well maybe and maybe not.I was a Christian growing up as well, but didn't practice Christianity, i.e. reading my bible, praying, fellowshiping etc, until recently. And all my years of being a 'christian' didn't teach me a thing (well almost nothing). So the amount of time you spend being a 'christian' means almost nothing. It's what you have been doing with that time, those 16 plus years that's important.

 

So, what have you been doing, as a christian for those 16 years, just being a bench warmer? 

I was also a rather devout christian for 16 years.  I was pretty hardcore.  I went to church, prayed, got involved, etc.  Then as I grew up, I matured and realized 2 major problems with faith:  1 - I didn't need a divine father figure supposedly watching over me to do good things and care about fellow man; and 2 - The more I looked into science the more I Realized how much in the bible was physically impossible and had no logical foothold.  

Once I got over those two things, there was absolutely nothing about religion I found appealing, so I left it in my childhood, where fairy tales belong. 

Your point:

1) thats doesn't deny the FACT that there  is a devine father and he had rules in place long before you,...came of age.

2) correct, to an extent. Because god's teaching are both physical and spiritual at the same time. So some can be explained scientifically, like man being created from the Earth, but others like the existance of a Hell, well science might have some trouble sorting that out, for that, my friend, you'll need spiritual discernment.

You are living in a fairly tale right now, if you believe you can look to science for every answer you need, science, which contradicts itself every moment it 'discovers' something new. Oh, and in case you missed the point, Christians believe in science to, so we are complete. People like you on the other hand lack something, non-physical, and thus are incomplete.



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DaRev on 15 September 2012
Jay520 said:
DaRev said:
Jay520 said:
DaRev said:

Ok, were do you think the laws in your little start-up country came from. Do you have laws against killing people, how about laws aganst stealing, do you have sex with little girls in your country or you screw animals in your country?  I'm sure your country has laws agaisnt that kind of stuff (but if it doesn't please do tell). Well, guess what, those laws and many others in your country were BORROWED from God. lol

Actually, laws and rules would come up regardless of there being a god. After being around for a certain amount of time, society would recognize actions which hurt the society (killing, stealing, raping) and would naturally work towards trying to prevent such things. You don't need a God to be moral.

Actaully, that doesn't negate the FACT that God created his law before anyone elses laws. If not so then Prove it!



That's not how proof works. Theists need to claim that God exist using whatever justification available. Then....its my job to disprove that justification. If proof worked in the way you say it works (disprove it or its true), then that would mean I'm right too, since you cant prove I'm wrong. Obviously, we can't both be right. Someone has the job of proving something. That person is you.

Is it, really? Well, let's consider the Op shall we? I agree ENTIRELY with the Op, so I don't have to prove anything. Do you agree ENTIRELY with the Op? If not, prove why you don't.



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