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DaRev said:

 So because Jesus did something more miraculous than Lincoln, that gives you reason not to believe that he is real? That's why he is God, he was suppose to do things no man could ever do, so that you would believe he was God. Now you say because he did miracles that's why you don't belive in him or that he existed? ha ha, you're really messed up. I suppose then if he didn't do miracles you would believe in him? lol good one.

The fact that he's said to of worked miracles (he has supernatural abilities) makes him less believable, because as far as we know the supernatural doesn't exist and miracles are impossible.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.



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I haven't read the last 67 posts. What's going on?!? Someone update me! I'm bored and I want in on this action!!!

DaRev said that we have to follow God's rules because it's his world and that if you believe in Lincoln, you have to believe in God.

Everyone else disagrees.

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DaRev said:
setsunatenshi said:
DaRev said:
pezus said:
DaRev said:

OK, well you're still going to Hell, atoms, because the 'maker' of atoms said so. But the 'maker' of atoms believes in you, atoms, as well you believe in yourself, and he believes you're not as small and insignificant as you think you are, tiny little brainless atoms.

I can't tell if you're serious or not, really. Everything you believe about Jesus and God is all meaningless and you saying I am going to hell doesn't matter to me. Hell only exists in a christian's mind. It sounds to me like you want it to exist. Why would anyone even want that? Well, maybe you'll get your wish and get to visit it someday but I ain't got a ticket.

Ok, well you're still going to hell, seriously and that's no joke. See, the 'maker' said that you would say that about him and his son Jesus and about hell, but he still cares about you, whether or not you care about him or youself.

Hell exists in a christian's mind just as much as atoms do, so to a christian hell and atoms are real - are you real atoms? I "want" hell just as much as I want justice, jail, or laws. I didn't make them up in my mind, they just are, and are real, like atoms.

No atoms, I wouldn't go to hell because hell is kinda like jail. See hell like jail is for people that don't follow the rules. I follow the rules so i'm neither going to jail nor hell. You on the other might excape jail because you abide by a certain set of rules, but, there are some rules, the rules of the 'maker' that you are breaking, and thus, you're on a one way trip to hell trip to hell with tickect valid and accepted. Don't belive that, well that's why ou get older and closer to death,...and ultimately hell or heaven. Tic tok atoms, tic tok. So the moral of the story is atoms, stay out of jail,...and hell.  

I'm glad that god you speak of is simply a product of your imagination. What's curious to be is why would you want to worship it if what you claim is true.

seems like you'd be the kind of person who would worship a dictator just because their power is much supperior to yours. The correct action is to oppose a dictator, not worship him. if whatever president of whatever country you live in sent people to life in jail for not believing and agreeing with him I'm sure you'd be pissed off too. so why this imaginary creature gets a pass?

Look at it this way, you live in a country and you have to obey the country rules, right? If you don't, you get put in jail. Well, you live in God's world and he has his rules for living in his world, just like the country you live in has its rules. So same way as in whatever country you live, if you break the rules of God, you get thrown in jail aka hell.

 

Better yet, you post on VGChartz and you must abide by the rules right? Why don't you try breaking the rules on VG Chartz and see what happens. Same way, you break God's rules there are consiquences. 


In my country the laws are made by me and my peers. Whenever the law is not adjusted to reality it gets revised and voted down or changed.

There are no dogmatic laws and they are all up for discussion. No one gets eternal penalty for breaking any of the laws, all penalties are finite. When you do wrong to someone you don't apologize to the country's dictator, you have to make amends with the person affected by your behaviour.

More... my country and it's laws actually exist. You don't have to believe in them by faith. The consequences are felt in the only life you're sure to have, not in an imaginary afterlife you may or may not have.

Not sure how you can compare those 2 things.

Let's put it like this, it seems pretty likely to me that if you talk to a hard core muslim he will point out exactly how you're going to hell according to the rules he believes. Somehow I think you'll be less than convinced by his 'warnings'.

So now take that feeling and apply it for the rest of us. Your little story about magic and gods and hells are just unconvincing fairytales for the rest of us and the time where they had any effect is long past. The age of science and reason has come to stay and you're just clinging on to a myth and way of thinking that has been long surpassed. Adjust or get left behind, those are your 2 choices.

Like i said before, I'm pretty glad your god doesn't really exist, but if it did I'd still never worship the character.



Baron said:
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So let me get this straight, Christians believe they are right and that everybody else is wrong. Nope, no arrogance or narrow mindedness there...




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I would believe it, if he came to me in a dream. But i'm sure if Jesus was alive now, he would not be happy with what's going on in the world, what with war, corruption and dictatorships. I'm atheist by the way, but I respect people beliefs.



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DaRev said:
pezus said:

Oh, I don't know...maybe the gaps are where you compare being a PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES to being able to do magic.

 So because Jesus did something more miraculous than Lincoln, that gives you reason not to believe that he is real? That's why he is God, he was suppose to do things no man could ever do, so that you would believe he was God. Now you say because he did miracles that's why you don't belive in him or that he existed? ha ha, you're really messed up. I suppose then if he didn't do miracles you would believe in him? lol good one.

 

Let me ask you this: Why on Earth would anyone believe that Jesus actually performed these miracles? All we have is a book which was obviously written by one or more people (and not even by Jesus himself), and the writer(s) obviously wanted to carry out a message. So why would we trust anything that is claimed in this book? The writer was the one who claimed that Jesus could perform miracles, not Jesus. You can't trust this source just like you can't trust someone who claims that he saw a ghost.

Like APM said: You would need extraordinary evidence to prove that Jesus could perform miracles. And at this point believing that Jesus can perform miracles is, in my opinion, not too different from believing that Harry Potter is performing magic at Hogwarts as we speak. Or at least the evidence perfectly equal.

 

Don't get me wrong though: Jesus did, according to the book, carry out an extremely valuable message which I wish more people would follow (namely that you should be a better example rather than fighting fire with fire), and I salute anyone, including my religious family, who lives by that message.



So Jesus did all the miracles in a time, where people could't record it properly with cameras, etc. And now, where we have all these things, no unexplainable miracles happen... Hmm...



This post will probably get lost, but I just want to say that I knew who the OP was going to be just by the thread title. That is all.



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pezus said:
DaRev said:
pezus said:
DaRev said:
pezus said:

Do you not see the big gaps in logic here?

No, show me.

Oh, I don't know...maybe the gaps are where you compare being a PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES to being able to do magic.

 So because Jesus did something more miraculous than Lincoln, that gives you reason not to believe that he is real? That's why he is God, he was suppose to do things no man could ever do, so that you would believe he was God. Now you say because he did miracles that's why you don't belive in him or that he existed? ha ha, you're really messed up. I suppose then if he didn't do miracles you would believe in him? lol good one.

No, I said I believe Jesus existed, but not 100% in the state that the Bible talks about him. Lol @ you calling me messed up for not believing in magic.

There were multiple versions of the Bible (New Testament) which were forbidden by Romans at the Council of Nicaea which describe Jesus as a mortal prophet of God, not a deity