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Max King of the Wild said:
Archbix the ps3 isn't the console leader. Nor is it the "mass market" console the OP is arguing for. The Ps1 was so why compare it?

The reason the OP compared the 360/PS3 to the PS1/PS2 was because they are all traditional consoles with no new "hooks", and that the HD consoles didn't match those sales once the Wii was available.



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Max King of the Wild said:
Also, you obviously didn't read my post correctly

I read your post just fine.  Perhaps you should convey your points better.



Ps360 is same gen. and ps1 and ps2 were different gens... obviously the sales are going to be divided by the two current gen from the same type of consoles from previous gen. therefore sales have matched, and surpassed, previous sales



My points are just fine. perhaps you should reread my orginal post then read your post quoting me



OoSnap said:

1. I think the mass market will find the new consoles boring without a new control scheme or a new form of gameplay.

2. I know gamers on forums love awesome graphics but the fact is the mass market could care less. Just look at the sales of the Wii and Nintendo handhelds.

3. At least Wii U has the touchscreen gamepad and asymmetric gameplay. What new will Microsoft and Sony bring to the table?


1. The mass market didn't get bored going from the 8bit to 16bit generations, nor did they get borded going from 16bit to 32bit and so on. The Wii was a fluke and I don't think Nintendo can get that lucky again. Maybe if the new hook was true VR, but it's not.

2. Everyone likes good graphics, especialy the mass market. The fact that the Wii did so well, peaked, and then died early shows how going after non-gamers like soccer moms and grandparents only works on the short term. In my opinion all those new "gamers" who's first console was a Wii and their first and last game was Wii Sports aren't going to come back. They bought into a fad, the fad is over, in five years if they want to play a game they will just use the same Wii that will be hooked up to their TV like that old VCR that eats tapes.

3. Everything has a touchscreen now. People walk around with touchscreens in their pocket and in their bag. MS plans to put touchscreens on everyone's desktops. It's not the "Oh wow, look at that" factor that the Wii had with it's motion controls. Most people had never played a motion control game before the Wii so it felt novel. Everyone has used a touchscreen so it's not going to feel new. It will be new to Mario and Zelda, but I don't think Mario and Zelda fans have been wishing and asking that touchscreen be added to the games they already like they way they are.

All the consoles will do just fine. It's the games that sell the machines, not the machines themselves.



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Max King of the Wild said:
Ps360 is same gen. and ps1 and ps2 were different gens... obviously the sales are going to be divided by the two current gen from the same type of consoles from previous gen. therefore sales have matched, and surpassed, previous sales

Sales for consoles in general have improved, yes, but neither of the HD twins could lead over the other enough to topple sales of the PS1 or the PS2, which was the point the OP was making.

The PS2 shared the market with two consoles as well, but without anything unique amongst them, PS2 soared into the lead, which was the point the OP was making:  That the Wii, with its new hook, captured a lot of the market.



The wii captured a market that game systems havent caught before. the ps360 captured the old system buyers. Wii only gained 42% of the market and dropping. Unlike the ps2 which captured 80% and still rising since it still sells somehow



Max King of the Wild said:
The wii captured a market that game systems havent caught before. the ps360 captured the old system buyers. Wii only gained 42% of the market and dropping. Unlike the ps2 which captured 80% and still rising since it still sells somehow

That's not something I'm disputing.  So my point stands.  If you're claiming that the 360/PS3 captured the PS2 crowd, then it works against your argument even more as both HD consoles put together haven't reach the PS2's sales alone, not to mention that they won't be as viable for as long either.



Max King of the Wild said:
My points are just fine. perhaps you should reread my orginal post then read your post quoting me

Your first post:  "Yet the Wii still didn't get as much market as the Ps2 or Ps1 did... shows that more people would rather have a ps3 or 360 then a wii"

Roma:  "PS2 has been sold now for over 10 years and Wii will most likely pas PS1 next year"

Your response to Roma:  "as for ps1 sales... nice comparing a the wii that launched in 2006 to a system who launched in in 1994."

My response to that:  "Actually, you compared them first in your first post..."

Why the confusion?



Because that wasn't my first post. Mine was on the second page and oh snap compared them first. Secondly, the ps360 will beat ps2 sales easily. Probablly beat it this year actually.