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It's chronological, it's always been chronological. The way video games work, it's the only categorization that makes any sense.



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A generation is a new line of consoles and is not based on graphics. I'm not even sure why I bother replying to these things sometimes.



     
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happydolphin said:
Roma said:
happydolphin said:
I've posted this before and got shat on all over by Rol and Viper. The Wii was not even considered next gen by its own leader (Hiroshi Yamauchi), so this is no surprise to me.

Gens are rooted in the concept of technical advancements requiring changes to a console, things that could not be done before. That isn't the case for the WiiU, wasn't the case for the Wii.

how do you know what WiiU can do? did any other console before Wii have motion controls?

The only way you can argue that Wii was next gen using the definition I gave is by considering the affordability of the parts used in the Wii (the argument is almost identical for the U).

Otherwise, the Wii is as much next gen as if you took an N64 with no analog stick and added an analog stick, in that the innovation didn't require technical advancements that were out of reach, only something that required thought and enginuity, and the idea. That's not next gen imho.

Okay, there is much incorrect with your argument.

Since video gaming has the word, "gaming" in it, that means and expresses there is interaction. To deny interaction as a means of generational advancement is both assanine and ignorant. Here is why I say that:

NES to SNES to Nintendo 64 to Gamecube to Wii to now WiiU all have very different functioning controllers that lead to new ways of interaction with games. This is a TECHNOLOGICAL leap and therefore, a generational leap. That is not, I repeat, NOT a disputed fact.

Imagine playing SNES games with an NES controller. Something like Street Fighter would be... irratic (as it was on Game Boy) and see very little, if any success at all. Interface progressions are just as, if not more important (speaking from a sales and influencial perspective on this) than your more, "traditional" graphical leaps.

Even PS1 to PS2 to PS3 has controller advancements and same with XBOX to XBOX 360 (at least I think so) even if they are small advancements.

The problem is - and this is a first for thee industry - Wii gave us a large inteface leap at thee expense of large graphical leaps while thee HD consoles gave us large graphical leaps with minimal interface leaps (pre Move and Kinect). To be honest, Wii is very much part of this generation because of its contribution to thee other two consoles alone. Not to mention the boost in life these new interfaces gave to thee HD consoles (sales and appeal), it is obvious that technological innovation in the form of interface is very much a generational progression.

This is why your argument is totally off base. Yes, it would be nice to have both as part of a generational leap, but it is obvious in the way of sales, advertising, influence, and actual game play mechanics/interface, that what Nintendo did was create as much a generational leap (albeit in a different direction) as both Sony and Microsoft. It is time the world looks on Nintendo in this way. What they contributed to gaming with Wii, DS, and WiiU are steps forward for thee industry. Obviously, these consoles have earned their titles as, "next generation."



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GhaudePhaede010 said:

Okay, there is much incorrect with your argument.

Since video gaming has the word, "gaming" in it, that means and expresses there is interaction. To deny interaction as a means of generational advancement is both assanine and ignorant. Here is why I say that:

NES to SNES to Nintendo 64 to Gamecube to Wii to now WiiU all have very different functioning controllers that lead to new ways of interaction with games. This is a TECHNOLOGICAL leap and therefore, a generational leap. That is not, I repeat, NOT a disputed fact.

Imagine playing SNES games with an NES controller. Something like Street Fighter would be... irratic (as it was on Game Boy) and see very little, if any success at all. Interface progressions are just as, if not more important (speaking from a sales and influencial perspective on this) than your more, "traditional" graphical leaps.

Even PS1 to PS2 to PS3 has controller advancements and same with XBOX to XBOX 360 (at least I think so) even if they are small advancements.

The problem is - and this is a first for thee industry - Wii gave us a large inteface leap at thee expense of large graphical leaps while thee HD consoles gave us large graphical leaps with minimal interface leaps (pre Move and Kinect). To be honest, Wii is very much part of this generation because of its contribution to thee other two consoles alone. Not to mention the boost in life these new interfaces gave to thee HD consoles (sales and appeal), it is obvious that technological innovation in the form of interface is very much a generational progression.

This is why your argument is totally off base. Yes, it would be nice to have both as part of a generational leap, but it is obvious in the way of sales, advertising, influence, and actual game play mechanics/interface, that what Nintendo did was create as much a generational leap (albeit in a different direction) as both Sony and Microsoft. It is time the world looks on Nintendo in this way. What they contributed to gaming with Wii, DS, and WiiU are steps forward for thee industry. Obviously, these consoles have earned their titles as, "next generation."

Where did  I disagree with any of this. Having 6 buttons on a controller is not something that was bound by technology. Graphics were. That's my point.

A generation is by birth and by definition rooted in the limitation of a specific type of hardware to perform certain tasks by reason of lacking technology (either unaffordable or not yet practically possible), and future upgrades are required to satisfy those needs. To have 6 buttons instead of 2 doesn't fall into that limitation, lacking live memory is.



Mnementh said:
happydolphin said:
I've posted this before and got shat on all over by Rol and Viper. The Wii was not even considered next gen by its own leader (Hiroshi Yamauchi), so this is no surprise to me.

Gens are rooted in the concept of technical advancements requiring changes to a console, things that could not be done before. That isn't the case for the WiiU, wasn't the case for the Wii.

A gen is defined by machines that compete in some way in the same market over the most time of their life. The most important factor is, that the machines are released in the same timeframe.


maybe from your perspective. 

from a developer perspective system specifications is the most important factor.  software is created with a "minimum system requirements".   you'll find this for every PC game ever.  here's just one example for WoW: http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/minimum-system-requirements-for-world-of-warcraft

if your hardware doesn't meet the minimum requirements your hardware doesn't run the program.  timing of when the hardware released is a non-factor.



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richardhutnik said:
Viper1 said:

In that case, here's my copy and paste.

Although Nintendo will release the new game console Wii U and the market will be continue to be invigorated by the increase of DLC, time is required before the next generation console cycle begins in earnest.


Sometimes I really, really hate my industry.  This is nothing but an author that either doesn't understand what the hell "begins in earnest" means or is just looking for hits.

Morons, I tell you.

Capcom said no such thing.

Even if that is the quote by Capcom, "in earnest" seems to me to say that, until there is more than one competitor attempting next gen, next gen really hasn't started.

He's not saying that next gen hasn't started or doesn't start with Wii U, he's saying it's not in full swing until all of them are out and moving more consoles than their predecessors.

Earnest: Resulting from or showing intense conviction. 

It begins in the home space with Wii U but 8th generation won't be the main market force until all 3 are out for a little while.  It's always been that way.



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Viper1 said:

He's not saying that next gen hasn't started or doesn't start with Wii U, he's saying it's not in full swing until all of them are out and moving more consoles than their predecessors.

Earnest: Resulting from or showing intense conviction. 

It begins in the home space with Wii U but 8th generation won't be the main market force until all 3 are out for a little while.  It's always been that way.

@bold. This might be better:

Idiom:

in earnest
1. With a purposeful or sincere intent: settled down to study in earnest for the examination.
2. Serious; determined: "Both sides are deeply in earnest, with passions that approximate those of civil war"

 

In other words, when shit gets real.

EDIT: Nevermind, it's a bad translation anyways.



How does a person with a nonexistent profile make a thread?

Well anyway, you can rest assured that is something is said about the Wii U that can possibly be viewed as negative, non regulars will rush to post it.

From what is said, they are not saying the Wii U is the next console. They are saying that timewise, what you would call next gen isn't here. I would agree because there are only 2 games on the Wii U that look above this gen.

The rest are all current gen games.



lilbroex said:
How does a person with a nonexistent profile make a thread?

Well anyway, you can rest assured that is something is said about the Wii U that can possibly be viewed as negative, non regulars will rush to post it.

No, it's a bug. Your suspicions are often wrong, make note.



happydolphin said:
lilbroex said:
How does a person with a nonexistent profile make a thread?

Well anyway, you can rest assured that is something is said about the Wii U that can possibly be viewed as negative, non regulars will rush to post it.

No, it's a bug. Your suspicions are often wrong, make note.

What suspicions and what is wrong? I'm stating a simple fact of what goes on in this subforum. People who rarely ever make post much less threads in this section rush to make threads about bad news. Its been like that for a while now.