happydolphin said:
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He does have a point, but you cannot tell other users to "Shut the fuck up!" I would have moderated anyone for saying this and would be expect to be banned for doing the same thing.
People are allowed to put their input into how things are going around this site and this thread is encouraging it. We all have a considered voice here. Some people might be complaining more and contributing less because they are not happy with the current state of the site. It's okay for them to critique what they believe are the problems with the site. Some of those complaining used to contribute a lot. If one day you were to contribute less and try to discuss the reasons that you didn't, would you like it if your voice menat less. What we should be working toward is making everyone feel like their voice matters and address things in order to make the site a better place for everyone. Calling each othere names doesn't make this a better place for anybody.
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I agree that there's a way to say it, and I agree with the ban (though I understand Spurge's heart/intentions).
I understand that some of these people used to post more and have been turned off or away, but you get the sense that the complaints they are making would lead to a place they would want but that would destroy the nature of what the community has become by the nature of the newer members, something they refused to be a part of. If they had their chance, why can't we the newer ones? I have a bond with Spurge, Pezus, APM, MBP, Pie, Sal, and a bunch of more recent posters that mean alot to me, just like they did with you, Montana, Rol, Leo-J and all those awesome people. Though you guys had your fun, I'm not sure if the means they are asking for to return to that harmony is truly a means to the goal they propose, but rather a means to the extinction of the live breathed into these forums by the newer less aware posters. If they were able to figure it out, why couldn't the newer ones, what are they less able?
For instance, it's obvious when you return to the older golden days of the forums, that many of the posts were what these people today would consider spammy. Just people pulling each others' legs and talking about whatever floated their minds at the moment. I know I've read a few. A user like Rol or Soriku made it to their post count by some means, and you can't tell me Rol is always on topic or meaninful in his posts, he does harmlessly troll and there is nothing wrong with that. It's the same with pezus or me or Spurge, just one generation later. Maybe they don't like the taste of our posts, but it doesn't give us less reason to exist here.
You know I care about them, at least a little, you saw the thread I made about being a better poster. That thread was made using some of the feedback some of the people in this thread gave me. We ask them for how we can better ourselves, and we get little guidance, just a call for more nazism in the moderation team. Is what they want the way to go? Do you breathe harmony with rules? I look at your posts amp and they inspire me to be more happy go lucky, more relax and make just more lightness about things. I read Rol and I see someone that's very smart and knows how to be playful, and I see the same in users like noname and Khuutra and these are the examples we have in front of us. But if they never post, or when they do they do so sparingly, as if to the scum of the land, how are we supposed to follow into their footsteps, or be more like the posters they wish for us to be?
I know Rol tried to help me be a better poster, but his approach was harsh and in the long run it worked by making me more self-conscious of my shortcomings, but it didn't give me the example I needed to enter that dynamics you guys want or had. And then we're not even sure if that's what they want anymore.
So you end up just getting that feeling that there's no way to please anybody anymore.
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See, that's the thing. There was nothing wrong with Spurge voicing his opinion. I can understand that he is frustrated, but you can't just tell people to "Shut the f*** up!" because you don't agree with them. There is a way to express your displeasure without doing something like that. I would have banned anyone for saying that. I am pretty sure that he knows that I don't have any personal problem with him, but there is a line that can't be crossed. I'm not trying to be a tough guy, but there are certain rules that everyone must follow.
I am one of the members that seems to have a bond with many newer and older posters. I am friends with you and with Montana, for instance. There can be several reasons why one group doesn't get along with another and I always have looked at the community as one group, but unfortunately not only have we not only been divided by what consoles that we own, but also into other sub-groups by how long we have been here. I remember when I first signed up here and a few of the more popular posters acted snobbish towards me and other new members and wouldn't even reply to you when you personally asked them questions. It was like they were protecting there territory or whatever... I always said to myself that when I became a senior member that I would never become like that and I hope that I don't ever come across that way. But I don't think that the senior members have a problem with some of the newer members because of that. Let's put it this way, many people poked fun at members like Soriku and Leo-J because they would often "spam". The thing is that they wouldn't take it personally when you would tell them so and many of the newer members don't seem to understand that the same rules had to be followed back then as they do now. I'm sure that you heard of the Soriku rule, right? It's called that because the rules that we are asking people to adhere to were made when Soriku was getting prolific in his posting with one or two word responses (sorry Soriku, I am not picking on you and you've become a fine member but you were an example that I could draw upon). My point is that spamming was frowned upon back then and it's not like "newer spammers" are being picked on. It always has been against the rules. About the humorous posts and sometimes off topic posts; I have been doing this myself the majority of VGChartz career but usually in my case, Rol's, d21 Lewis', badgenome's, etc the joke is usually sarcastic or ironic and has something to do with the subject. If the thread was about the Wii U and Rol came into it and said that he heard that his poop tastes like licorice but he'll never find out (for no reason), that would be spamming. The humorous, sarcastic, and ironnic posts often lighten the mood AND add to the conversations in my opinion.
I don't care for when one group acts like the existence of the other needs to be wiped out. That being said, I have seen posters from both the newer and older groups saying things in this manner. It is a two way street and it's not like it's only elders are picking on the newer members. I've seen some newer members saying how much better that the site will be when us older guys are gone. It's not right either way and both groups need to calm down. Someone that signed up here in 2012 has just as much right to be here as someone from 2006 and vice versa. Everyone needs to treat everyone with respect.
I don't understand what kind of guidance you are looking for. The rules are the rules and are listed for everyone to see. "No one" is allowed to troll, spam, flame, etc. It is the job of the moderators to enforce these rules and this is not "nazism". The only guidance that I can give everyone is to take stuff a little less seriously, be original, create original content, follow the rules and respect others. I can not speak for all of the older members, but I personally contribute less in the way of threads because I have made a lot and am not as inspired as I once was. Coming up with original quality threads is difficult and I'd rather put out a failed original joke thread than just leave a link to another site. That's the type of members that I wish that we had more of. More original content. Less links. Don't be afraid to fail. I am trying to contribute more through my new position and honestly am trying to do my best to be unbiased and to help out the community. The problem with being unbiased is that I have too be equally harsh as well as lenient with everyone.
Now I can't speak for Rol, but I would rather more people take your approach in certain ways. Even though I don't agree with everything that you (or anyone) says, you are brave enough to not just accept what some of the more popular senior members say and this is what adds to discussion. Having YOUR OWN opinion and voicing it (but being respectful at the same time) is encouraged.
I also feel like I can't please anybody in this job that I recently took, but I know that if I do my best and am unbiased that that's the best that I can do and I can be proud of that. That's all we can do. Do the best that you can.
Wow, this wound up being a lot longer than I thought that it would.
