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Forums - Gaming - Stupid jury kills innovation/competition and hands Apple a monopoly

 

Describe the Jury's decision.

Smart: Apple did it first... 47 17.67%
 
Stupid: You can't patent... 216 81.20%
 
Total:263
ishiki said:
ultima said:
ishiki said:
ultima said:
Euphoria14 said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Sad thing is that Apple have millions of "sheep" that buy their shit every fucking yearwith those stupid prices. They want to give them the monpoly.

fuck them all


At least we have the decency to not say those same things tto you.

 

Enjoy your android that costs the same exact price as my iPhone.

Android and WP are all about choice. You can get a high end device for the same price as your iPhone or a cheaper device if you're not a power user. With apple, you have just the choice of internal storage. And if you look at the specs of the iPhone compared to the high-end Android devices, you'll see that you're paying the same amount for a (vastly) inferior product. Why are you so happy to admit that you want apple to have a monopoly? That's not good for anyone, including yourself. What incentive does a monopoly have to innovate? None whatsoever.

You can make the same agrument about consoles vs PC can't you? do you play consoles?

He wasn't saying he wants apple to have a monopoly. I don't really see how everyone is like ZOMG's apple has a monopoly, when android has a higher market share than the IOS. (albeit on many different phones).

I do play consoles. Which argument would that be?

Read ClassicGamingWizz's original message and Euphoria's response to that. It sounds like Euphoria accepted what was said by CGW, despite the message not being directed towards him/her specifically. And one of the things in that message was, "they want to give [apple] the monopoly."

LOL. Nobody says apple has a monopoly. But they really want a monopoly from the way they're acting: they want to eliminate all of their competition through lawsuits.

That's how a lot of businesses get that big... that's what microsoft does, that's what intel does...

That's not true. I can't remember last time I heard about Microsoft or Intel abusing the legal system. In fact, the only lawsuit I ever remember involving Intel was a couple of years back when AMD accused them of unfair business practices. What apple is doing is blatant abuse of the legal and patent system.



           

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ultima said:
Euphoria14 said:

I'm on a phone and can't cut down quote trees, but the GS3 is my fiancé.

I picked the 4s for games.

 

We also don't know of ps4 will run ps3 games and the only ps3 that run ps2 software are discontinued.

3gs and especially the 4 can run over 99% of all current apps and games. 

 

My eyes are also fine, Thank you. I have 20/10 Vision in my right and 20/20 in my left.

I don't know anybody who still has an iPhone 4, but two people I know used 3GS up until recently and ever since the iOS5 update, their phones were borderline unusable. Way too laggy and slow. Basic apps like messaging were taking ridiculously long to load. You can guess how games were performing on them.

Just assume backwards compatibility for the Playstation example. My aim was to show how ridiculous your justification sounds: you basically have a choice of new, old, or even older. Is that really a satisfactory pool of choices for you?

And I'm sorry for insulting your vision.

It's the same choice everyone gives you. Crap, good or great.

 

You also called me an apple fanboy. This is my very first Apple device and I've only had it since June 21st. Before that 100% Android.

 

You also said android is easier to update. All I have to do with my phone is go into settina and choose to update. With samsung you have to hook the phone up to the pc and load up Samsung keis, download the update, then wait for the installation. It also took Samsung till 2.3 to give me 2.2 on my Galaxy S.



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ultima said:
ishiki said:
ultima said:
ishiki said:
ultima said:
Euphoria14 said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Sad thing is that Apple have millions of "sheep" that buy their shit every fucking yearwith those stupid prices. They want to give them the monpoly.

fuck them all


At least we have the decency to not say those same things tto you.

 

Enjoy your android that costs the same exact price as my iPhone.

Android and WP are all about choice. You can get a high end device for the same price as your iPhone or a cheaper device if you're not a power user. With apple, you have just the choice of internal storage. And if you look at the specs of the iPhone compared to the high-end Android devices, you'll see that you're paying the same amount for a (vastly) inferior product. Why are you so happy to admit that you want apple to have a monopoly? That's not good for anyone, including yourself. What incentive does a monopoly have to innovate? None whatsoever.

You can make the same agrument about consoles vs PC can't you? do you play consoles?

He wasn't saying he wants apple to have a monopoly. I don't really see how everyone is like ZOMG's apple has a monopoly, when android has a higher market share than the IOS. (albeit on many different phones).

I do play consoles. Which argument would that be?

Read ClassicGamingWizz's original message and Euphoria's response to that. It sounds like Euphoria accepted what was said by CGW, despite the message not being directed towards him/her specifically. And one of the things in that message was, "they want to give [apple] the monopoly."

LOL. Nobody says apple has a monopoly. But they really want a monopoly from the way they're acting: they want to eliminate all of their competition through lawsuits.

That's how a lot of businesses get that big... that's what microsoft does, that's what intel does...

That's not true. I can't remember last time I heard about Microsoft or Intel abusing the legal system. In fact, the only lawsuit I ever remember involving Intel was a couple of years back when AMD accused them of unfair business practices. What apple is doing is blatant abuse of the legal and patent system.

I guess you haven't worked or known anyone to work against a microsoft or intel competitor. If they see a technology want they try to buy out the company they want. If the small company doesn't budge they abuse the legal system by stealing the idea anywayas and the small company's can't keep up with the legal fees. (apple does this too).

http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/NY-attorney-general-ends-lawsuit-against-Intel-3207727.php 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/16/AR2009121601121.html

http://www.washingtonpolicy.org/publications/opinion/what-happened-microsoft-ruling

Here's some articles on just some of the issues microsoft and intel has had to deal with for being a "monopoly"

The thing is these big company's (samsung is a huge company btw) is just a circle jerk of suing eachother while doing business with eachother it's not just apple suing everyone. Here's one of google (android suing apple).

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/08/21/and-now-google-sues-apple/

And consoles are closed like the iphone... android is open like PC, that was my point. Yet consoles are fine to be closed, but an Iphone isn't?Though you can jailbreak all of them. :)



BasilZero said:
Time to buy a iphone before they hike the price up cause of this monopoly~


Then ebay it and get two better speced Android phones for the same price ;)

TheFallen said:
BasilZero said:
Time to buy a iphone before they hike the price up cause of this monopoly~


Then ebay it and get two better speced Android phones for the same price ;)


iPhone 4s = $420 on ebay

Galaxy S3 = $400 on ebay

Galaxy Nexus = $400 direct from Google (Specs = Galaxy S2)

HTC One X = $370 on ebay



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Using this president, Samsung will sue Apple if/when it tries to release a larger phone screen.

While I am not a fan of Apple, the curcumtantial evidence (look at Samsumg phones pre and post iPhone) as well as some internal Samsung documents are a bit over-the-top.

But Apple winning here is like a small company winning in the Eastern District of Texas -- sure to be appealed and modified.

Plus, for the record, Apple is trying to get the courts to stop Samsung products from being sold ... And Google is seeking the same thing against Apple,

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Ya this is not over Samsung will appeal. I haft to admit apple has a point with samsung copying its phones. I mean they look and feel so similar.Samsung just gave an Apple chip developer (basically apple) $4bill to make chips for there phones. I just think samsung should settle, there new phones are different now. Samsung cannot settle though there in to deep. Without those innovations in there phones infancy which they stole from apple. Samsungs phones would not be where they are today. I just think this will drag out for years and years. Apple was first and Samsung copied there design its blatant and obvious. Samsung made billions off of this. They will never stop fighting the ruling because it will destroy there mobil phone market. Samsung will fight until they distance themselves from apple with new phone designs.



Well this isn't completely unexpected; Apple = American, Samsung = S.Korean, lawsuit in the heart of Silicon Valley etc.

It really is a load of crap though. Don't get me wrong, Samsung's counter claims were just as ridiculous, but all the doctored photos and bullcrap arguments have already been thrown out of courts elsewhere in the world. This whole thing has been pathetic.

Seems to me Apple saw a company getting a bit too big and bringing out phones/tablets that were truly competitive and popular with consumers then tried to sue to defend their position in the market. Even though they won, I'm beginning to wonder if this hasn't done a bit of damage to their reputation. Apple has thrived with a reputation of being the cool company.... the different, upcoming underdog and not as evil as the other massive corporations. Now they're the large evil corporation trying to stifle the competition through lawsuits.

Tbh, I think the US courts should have sued both companies for wasting the taxpayers time and money... might help with those government debts.



ishiki said:
Snesboy said:
ishiki said:
curl-6 said:
ishiki said:
curl-6 said:
Apple are too big and too powerful, they overcharge for crappy products that people buy for how "hip" they are.


reminds me of the wii :P.

It's not like google is much less powerful or (evil) with it's android OS... And it's not like the above picture doesn't look like it's copied from apple either.

I have a gaming PC, an ancient phone and use linux for some things, it's not like I like apple much. But google's just as bad.

Except the Wii had great games while Apple has great nothing. :p

It is an obvious copy, but frankly, Apple deserve to be ripped off, it's not like they ever come up with anything original.

They make good stable OS's, unlike microsoft until windows 7 XD.

nintendo deserves to be losing hundreds of millions of dollars... oh, nvm.

XP was awesome.

And Nintendo is making bank on every single thing they sell. Try harder.

The stability was not compared to linux, or the equivalent mac OS at the time... Windows XP was good for compared to Microsoft 95, 98, 2000, and especially vista. But, Windows 7 was the first one that is actually equivalently stable to the other OS's at the time, not having obsurd amount of registry ineffeciencies, or memory leaks. Despite having many more people creating virus's for it.

Nintendo posted its first annual loss ever.  Despite having the wildly succesful wii, they never had this happen in the gamecube and before, they've made some bad decisions. However they were an extremely well run company like apple (whether you like the products doesn't matter). And apple will eventually run into something like this in the future as all companies do.

Nintendo still doesn't deserve to lose hundreds of millions of dollars. They're a great company and I love seeing a game company making a system that isn't an exact copy of PlayStation and Xbox.



Euphoria14 said:
TheFallen said:
BasilZero said:
Time to buy a iphone before they hike the price up cause of this monopoly~


Then ebay it and get two better speced Android phones for the same price ;)


iPhone 4s = $420 on ebay

Galaxy S3 = $400 on ebay

Galaxy Nexus = $400 direct from Google (Specs = Galaxy S2)

HTC One X = $370 on ebay



I was exaggerating there. It was a joke on Apple's pricing policy. You use to be cool man :P