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Nem said:
curl-6 said:
People keep saying that COD players want to play at home on screen and that it will fail on Vita, but I think it's being underestimated.

This is COD we're talking about, it's more popular than oxygen.

Plus, individual games are short enough to have pick-up-and-play value for gaming on the go.

A proper portable COD experience could be massive if the "I have to get it to play the latest COD with my friends" effect kicks in.

I think the thing with CoD is the online gaming and that all your friends have it.Most people dont even play the single player campaign.

Do you think it will be able to generate the same kind of Buzz on a system that is looking like a very risky and pricy purchase? For it to work it has to be marketed very very well. Something like a summer release might be the best idea to have people adopt the portable version.

But you have to think... why would activision bother will all this when its such a huge risk? Sony must be throwing them money to cover those risks. I am actually still quite surprised activision cleared the project knowing how greedy they are.

The fact that Activision are doing it despite the risks suggests that they are going to at least try to market it.

People already love COD, all they have to do is convince people that they want to  play a game or two on the bus/train or on their lunch break.



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curl-6 said:
Nem said:
curl-6 said:
People keep saying that COD players want to play at home on screen and that it will fail on Vita, but I think it's being underestimated.

This is COD we're talking about, it's more popular than oxygen.

Plus, individual games are short enough to have pick-up-and-play value for gaming on the go.

A proper portable COD experience could be massive if the "I have to get it to play the latest COD with my friends" effect kicks in.

I think the thing with CoD is the online gaming and that all your friends have it.Most people dont even play the single player campaign.

Do you think it will be able to generate the same kind of Buzz on a system that is looking like a very risky and pricy purchase? For it to work it has to be marketed very very well. Something like a summer release might be the best idea to have people adopt the portable version.

But you have to think... why would activision bother will all this when its such a huge risk? Sony must be throwing them money to cover those risks. I am actually still quite surprised activision cleared the project knowing how greedy they are.

The fact that Activision are doing it despite the risks suggests that they are going to at least try to market it.

People already love COD, all they have to do is convince people that they want to  play a game or two on the bus/train or on their lunch break.


I'm going to assume I'm reading this wrong and if I am, clarify.  You do know that even the 3G Vita isn't capable of playing Call of Duty multi-player unless it's connected to Wi-Fi, right?



d21lewis said:
curl-6 said:
Nem said:
curl-6 said:
People keep saying that COD players want to play at home on screen and that it will fail on Vita, but I think it's being underestimated.

This is COD we're talking about, it's more popular than oxygen.

Plus, individual games are short enough to have pick-up-and-play value for gaming on the go.

A proper portable COD experience could be massive if the "I have to get it to play the latest COD with my friends" effect kicks in.

I think the thing with CoD is the online gaming and that all your friends have it.Most people dont even play the single player campaign.

Do you think it will be able to generate the same kind of Buzz on a system that is looking like a very risky and pricy purchase? For it to work it has to be marketed very very well. Something like a summer release might be the best idea to have people adopt the portable version.

But you have to think... why would activision bother will all this when its such a huge risk? Sony must be throwing them money to cover those risks. I am actually still quite surprised activision cleared the project knowing how greedy they are.

The fact that Activision are doing it despite the risks suggests that they are going to at least try to market it.

People already love COD, all they have to do is convince people that they want to  play a game or two on the bus/train or on their lunch break.


I'm going to assume I'm reading this wrong and if I am, clarify.  You do know that even the 3G Vita isn't capable of playing Call of Duty multi-player unless it's connected to Wi-Fi, right?

*Slaps self in the forehead* I completely forgot about that, now I feel like an idiot, haha. XD

Do we know what proportion of Vitas are the 3G model?



z101 said:
Chark said:

I think you misunderstand though. Vita can play games and media on PS3 through remote play, which is the most useful if you can set it up so you can play anywhere you have an internet connection. (great for vacations, those overseas, stuff like that)

Yes, most people go on vacation to play videogames ...

Chark said:

These games though are for each system with the Vita version being cheaper than the console one ($40 as opposed to $60?) and in some cases, and I hope in most, they come free with that $60 purchase of the PS3 title. Not all titles apply, but you get what I mean, it's advantageous to have both. Handheld games have traditionally held cheaper price points than consoles, so you win out buying the handhelf version.

Yes, of course. Many, many people want to pay 100$ to have the chance to play a game on PS3 & Vita. Free Vita game with a PS3 game? Wishful thinking. How could a publisher earn money when they give away Vita games for free?

 

Chark said:

As I've told other, I bought a Vita because its better than a PS3, PS3 2.0 if you will. It's a ton smaller and has a built in display. Cross game chat, better browser, more control inputs, and more apps. Unless someone is planning on tackeling a backlog of PS3 games, I'd recommend them get a Vita over a PS3 hands down.

Most people want to play games like CoD or Uncharted on the big screen with surround sound etc. not on a tiny Vita screen with worse graphics. Obviously there are not many people who wants to play Uncharted in bus or train.

The Vita is a misconcept and the last nail in the coffin for Sony. Perhaps there is a little chance for the Vita if it sells millions in the next holidays, but this is wishful thinking and will not happen.


Wow, you're a fun one. Yes people will play games on vacation, perhaps even use it to stream their movies they have stored on their PS3 hard drive, but vacation is not the only place or time in the world that you can do this. Which is the point.

Why would you have to buy both the PS3 and Vita versions? No one is forcing you. A person happens to have both a PS3 and a Vita, they can opt to buy the cheaper handheld version of the game and save money while still being able to play multiplayer with their friends who bought it on a PS3. Both for the price of one is what I'm hoping becomes the norm. As for now a few PSN games have done this, just recently sound shapes. I don't recall others right now, but there is a push for it since giving both versions for one price isn't a bad idea since most people won't buy both the PS3 and the Vita game. It would be decent advertising for the Vita, since some PS3 owners would start to build up a collection just by purchasing games on PSN.

Most people haven't played a CoD game on a Vita yet.... Have you played a Vita for any breadth of time? The graphics are quite amazing for the start of a system. Uncharted happens to be the top selling Vita game and that's at the $50 price and it's attach rate is quite high. It also made the top 100 game sales for the last two weeks and it was a launch title. I know its not much, but it proves the theory. People want to play good games, be it on a big tv or on a portable. It has always been that way, source: video game sales history.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

Play4Fun said:
logic56 said:
*turns brain off*

Sony releasing games on both the Vita and PS3......it's almost as if......they want both experiences to compliment each other, as if.....they had cross play or something O_o like, it's targeting owners of the PS3, like maybe... that was the whole point......nahhhh Sony would never do that, they clearly want the Vita to be a 3DS, and targeting Mario lovers and fucking 4 year olds, that makes, so much more sense

*turns brain back on*

so that's what's it like, Jesus, I now understand


Why get Vita to play games on PS3 when you can just...play your games on PS3.

It's not really a great incentive, so trying to act like a smartass isn't making you look good.

as expected

then I go on to insult you and say becasue you can't take your ps3 with you every you go insult you again and then get banned, business as usual 



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So guys, do you think Killzone for the vita will be a system seller ?



So what do you guys think now from a sales prescriptive after Gamescom?

Crossbuy (Buy 1 version, get another version free digitally)
Sly 4 delayed to 2013
New IP, Tearaway from the devs of LittleBigPlanet(No date given)
Playstation Plus coming to Vita sometime in 2012
PS1 Classics on August 28th
Call of Duty Vita shown off (November release date and bundle revealed)
Killzone Vita shown off (2013)
Ratchet & Clank: QForce for PS3 also coming to Vita (No known date)
LittleBigPlanet PS Vita (Bundle for Europe, not sure if this also applies for North America)



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Pokemonbrawlvg said:
So what do you guys think now from a sales prescriptive after Gamescom?

Crossbuy (Buy 1 version, get another version free digitally)
Sly 4 delayed to 2013
New IP, Tearaway from the devs of LittleBigPlanet(No date given)
Playstation Plus coming to Vita sometime in 2012
PS1 Classics on August 28th
Call of Duty Vita shown off (November release date and bundle revealed)
Killzone Vita shown off (2013)
Ratchet & Clank: QForce for PS3 also coming to Vita (No known date)
LittleBigPlanet PS Vita (Bundle for Europe, not sure if this also applies for North America)

The Vita's 2nd biggest problem at the moment (after the expensive memory) is a lack of big games, so the new game announcements are good news for the system.



curl-6 said:
Pokemonbrawlvg said:
So what do you guys think now from a sales prescriptive after Gamescom?

Crossbuy (Buy 1 version, get another version free digitally)
Sly 4 delayed to 2013
New IP, Tearaway from the devs of LittleBigPlanet(No date given)
Playstation Plus coming to Vita sometime in 2012
PS1 Classics on August 28th
Call of Duty Vita shown off (November release date and bundle revealed)
Killzone Vita shown off (2013)
Ratchet & Clank: QForce for PS3 also coming to Vita (No known date)
LittleBigPlanet PS Vita (Bundle for Europe, not sure if this also applies for North America)

The Vita's 2nd biggest problem at the moment (after the expensive memory) is a lack of big games, so the new game announcements are good news for the system.

I agree. None of these are really going to make someone go out and buy a Vita right now. Crossbuy really seems to only benefit PS3 owners with Vitas.

Honestly, I think Sony dropped the bomb with Call of Duty. So now the only big game is pretty much Assassin's Creed 3: Liberation. I would include Playstation All-Stars and LittleBigPlanet, but those two are wild cards. Need for Speed and Fifa 13 should provide boosts (especially Fifa), but not for the full year. Maybe Persona 4?

At least Sony is doing bundles for LittleBigPlanet, Assassin's Creed 3, and COD.



Read my original story on Fictionpress (Shinigami Twin): http://www.fictionpress.com/s/2996503/1/Shinigami-Twin 

As well as my other one (Hell's Punishment): http://www.fictionpress.com/s/3085054/1/Hell-s-Punishment

Nintendo Network ID: kingofe3

Pokemonbrawlvg said:
curl-6 said:
Pokemonbrawlvg said:
So what do you guys think now from a sales prescriptive after Gamescom?

Crossbuy (Buy 1 version, get another version free digitally)
Sly 4 delayed to 2013
New IP, Tearaway from the devs of LittleBigPlanet(No date given)
Playstation Plus coming to Vita sometime in 2012
PS1 Classics on August 28th
Call of Duty Vita shown off (November release date and bundle revealed)
Killzone Vita shown off (2013)
Ratchet & Clank: QForce for PS3 also coming to Vita (No known date)
LittleBigPlanet PS Vita (Bundle for Europe, not sure if this also applies for North America)

The Vita's 2nd biggest problem at the moment (after the expensive memory) is a lack of big games, so the new game announcements are good news for the system.

I agree. None of these are really going to make someone go out and buy a Vita right now. Crossbuy really seems to only benefit PS3 owners with Vitas.

Honestly, I think Sony dropped the bomb with Call of Duty. So now the only big game is pretty much Assassin's Creed 3: Liberation. I would include Playstation All-Stars and LittleBigPlanet, but those two are wild cards. Need for Speed and Fifa 13 should provide boosts (especially Fifa), but not for the full year. Maybe Persona 4?

At least Sony is doing bundles for LittleBigPlanet, Assassin's Creed 3, and COD.


Bolded: How so?

Refresh my memory, how did LBP do on PSP? Not so hot if I recall correctly. It will give a small boost, but nothing powerful I'd say.