Hurry up and add a controller with every ipad apple.....You would soon own another market.

Yes and No. I got a smartphone because it did extra stuff -- basically email while out of the office.

I have no music and don't play games on it. And the volume is too low in the Galaxy S to use the navigation.

pretty much. still facebook.

Yea, apparently there is a flood of developers that aren't on top of their game.  I suppose the main thing that sticks out to me would be Android related which I mentioned a little on my first response (fragmentation).  Android might be wrecking shop over iOS but there is a huge fragmentation problem that I see.  While it isn't a very big problem it still seems to piss off a decent amount of people.  Just look at most games on the Android market and you see the same comments (doesn't work, force closes, freezes, sound freezes, no sound, etc).  The fragmentation has led to an environment on Android where even if it says it is compatible with your phone an update could change that instantly (cause crashes, etc).   I was looking for a chart about the fragmentation and it led me to a site that pretty much stated that it was the cell phone carriers fault for not allowing updates , etc.

You don't know exactly what will work even if it says it will work on Android.  Case in point: Look at almost all the EA games on the Android market (Life, Monopoly, Need for Speed).  Users nail them like crazy on the comments / reviews because their games just don't work with a decent amount of phones and this is from a publisher as big as EA (not really saying too much but still..).

but that's exactly what dedicated consoles are in relation to smartphone gaming.  god, i still remember all the haters saying digital point and shoot couldn't possibly do well compared to film camera's because the quality was sooo bad.  where are film camera's now?  i remember the haters said camera phones couldn't possibly displace digital point and shoot cameras because the quality was sooo bad. what direction is that market going?  how about the fall of garmin GPSs?  how about CD players or even dedicated mp3 players?

the common thread in all of this is smartphones came in, took a market majority,  and the other businesses became niche, enthusist markets only.  

the app store was first launched in 2008.  in 4 very short years apple went from non-existant in gaming to attracting sigificant interest from all the majory gaming companies.  you're blind if you can't see what's coming.

seriously, iphone sold a "disappointing" 26M units last quarter.  if you took ps3, wii, and 360 sales for the year you are only on par as iphone's bad quater.  if only 25% of iphone users play games that still means there are as many iphone gamers as there are dedicated console gamers.  and even that that ignores two major elephants: android, ipad.

Argh_College said: Euphoria14 said: My fiance uses her Galaxy S3 to constantly play Scramble and Words with Friends. Before that it was Draw Something. I use my iPhone to play games and listen to music. Currently playing Maple Story Live Deluxe & Squids. My mother plays Scramble with my fiance using her Motorola Atrix. She is also playing some Kairosoft title, just can't think of the name at the moment. I don't know what my dad does with his. I think he uses it primarily for music. My sister plays games on her HTC phone all the time. My co-worker is playing Words with Friends. I only know that because I hear the sound it makes when it's your turn and you recieve more letters. I have another co-worker who tries to keep up with me in GameCenter score. He is at 1,997 and I am at 5,979. iOS and Android are very much used for gaming and not just making phone calls. People claiming that they sell only because people want to upgrade to the next are insane. I wonder how long before people stop being so afraid of mobile devices and just accept that they have a place in all of it as well, even if you don't like those styles of gaming. Casual gaming, not serious gaming. Profits probably none, Revenue all together not even close to Halo 4 or Black Ops 2 this year. Mobile gaming isnt a threat, in fact its a joke and developers wont really care about it once Vita starts getting good sales like 3DS.

#1.) What does that have to do with anything? You must know very little about mobile gaming. Suddenly these games, which 5 of the 7 are on DS and/or PSP don't count anymore? This is only a small amount of titles. I don't even have racing, shooting, fishing, baseball, soccer, etc...

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/squids/id467904350?mt=8

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/final-fantasy/id354972939?mt=8

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/final-fantasy-ii/id354974729?mt=8

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/final-fantasy-iii/id424591347?mt=8

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/final-fantasy-tactics-war/id446760220?mt=8

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/chaos-rings-ii/id495153860?mt=8

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ghost-trick-phantom-detective/id489113377?mt=8

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/crimson-gem-saga/id381217285?mt=8

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/spectral-souls/id507382406?mt=8

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mass-effect-infiltrator/id486601093?mt=8

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dead-space/id396018321?mt=8

2.) Revenue sure, but that is only because the games are selling for $60. Did you know that the most profitable game ever for Epic games is Infinity Blade?

http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/27/3120308/infinity-blade-epic-games-most-profitable-game

Other than that you have nothing to prove what you just claimed. Also, unlike Black Ops 2 or Halo 4 these games don't require $200M+ ad campaigns.

3.) Vita is getting Orgarythm this year. So is iOS.

Ghost Trick is a DS game. It's also on iOS.

iOS has Scribblenauts too.

Look at the list from the top of my post at all the other DS/PSP titles on this joke of a gaming device. It's also getting another Final Fantasy that you won't find on the 3DS and/or Vita.

iOS has full fledged MMOs unlike the 3DS and Vita.

iOS has Skylanders too.

Even WP7 is getting the new Live title Ascend: New Gods.

Vita has Dungeon Hunter. iOS has DH, DH2 & DH3.

Gamevil has a ton of non casual titles on iOS and Android. Same goes for Kemco who is making a sequel to Symphony of Eternity on iOS and Android.

Amazon just created their own gaming studio so they can make titles for Android devices.

Your whole post is full of "probably", "when this happens" and writing off games because they don't fit your gaming style.

iOS and Android soon will overtake homeconsoles
Especially Android will have a big part cause it is in absolutely everything...TVs,Ouya(has a lot of support),Consoles(probably teamed up with Sony),Windows and even your fridge.

The game that made the most money in terms of work and time they did invest for EPIC isn't a game from the Gears of War Franchise.
It is an iOS Game - Infinity Blade.
A lot of Developers see the potential of those devices and they make a LOT money with them without putting a lot of effort in it.
Those devices get stronger and stronger too at the same time and will soon catch up to consoles,even the Next Gen consoles cause Smartphones,Tablets and everything get a yearly update.
Streaming will be a big part in the future and soon you can play your games on the way too.

Halo and CoD have nothing to do with Serious Gaming.
Those are aimed at casuals more than games like Chaos Rings 1+2(iOS RPGs) - Halo and CoD are the Justin Bieber of Gaming.
Making a lot of money from little kids - And this is a fact.Those are twitch and casual shooters that did hurt SERIOUS gaming a lot in this Gen.
And if games like those are called now serious gaming by kids that grow up with that garbage then Angry Birds and stuff will count as that soon too.

A Shooter that has a place in Serious Gaming?Battlefield 3 on PC.Next Gen graphics,perfect and deep gameplay and a mature community.You have to learn the game.
CoD is the complete opposite - Jumping in,being the king after 20 mins playing and threaten other people over Mic....A casual twitch shooter.No arguing about that.There is nothing serious about this Franchise.Its aimed at the kids that want to be cool at school.

What conjecture? I said absolutely nothing about the handhelds, just that it would be interesting to have iOS profits compared against them. No need to get defensive here...

I didn't mean to imply revenues weren't important, but they're not the be-all end-all. I'd compare revenues and profits. I said "Don't compare JUST revenue", not "don't compare revenue!"

I'm not going to have a silly argument with you about Rovio or the overall quality of iOS developers and their intelligence. I was merely making a point that it'd be more interesting to look at revenues and profits rather than just revenues.

If this comes true then I won't be too sad. I'll always have generations 3-8 to play and the rest of the world can have their 'apps'.

So your admitting that people like to play games on their phones?

Like I said to Arch, it doesn't mean a thing if it is a board game, casual game, hardcore game, etc... My mom plays games on her phone, not on a 3DS. My sister plays games on her phone, not on a 3DS. My fiance plays games on her phone, not a 3DS. I game more on my phone than I do the Vita.

What I find funny is that the games people are shitting on are the same types of games I see people saying "Vita needs on the go games, not full console style games".

Then we come to an iOS thread and that goes right out the window. Now iOS isn't a legitimate platform because it doesn't have full fledged console style games... even though it actually does.

What is even more rich is these are some of the same who also said Nintendo was great because they expanded the medium to more than just serious gamers and they were applauded for it. Now once again that gets thrown out the window. Who cares that iPhone brought in all new types of gamers, the games are casual board games and can be had for $0.00-$4.99.