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Wonktonodi said:

haven't looked much at the paper yet, but interesting how in this case I think it was made less clear then it had been. By saying you can't except for marital unfathfullness. It probably means there was no change for the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agunah as well as woment still being subject to needed the man to grant a divorce since he was still referring to is as the men divorcing.   Although reminds me of those who make the argument if you want to restore the sanctity of marriage outlaw divorce.

 

I'm not sure how much that covers rape vs an odd divorce law.

I think we have taken this thread a bit off topic though. We might need to start a "bible discussion" thread

I am all for it. Start it, or I will, and we can answer each others' questions I'm sure we can at least make some headway.



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It's a shame that the government is practically forcing people to support gays now. Next you thing you know people won't even be allowed to speak badly of criminals.



mrstickball said:
I haven't read every comment, but how many people are discussing the fact that Rahm Emmanuel and Boston's mayor are using the power of their office to bar a business from their cities, whereas the statement from Truett Cathy has virtually no bearing on the business, nor people that are gay?

Talk about a double standard. If Chicago or Boston banned a business because it was run by blacks, wouldn't that be pretty bigoted? Only one entity in this discussion effects anyone else - and it isn't Chick-fil-A or Truett Cathy.


The discussion has gone a bit away from that. While I agree that the governments shouldn't bar over statements. I think where some of the money had gone with the charities does have some baring. http://equalitymatters.org/blog/201103220005#1

I don't think your double standard comparison is good. If they were going after the business because they are Christian then I could see the comparison. That isn't the reason though it's because they have given money to charities that are anti gay. If it was just Christian charities and this was being done I too would be outraged. That isn't the case though, this is not tolerating the intolerant.



Good for chick-fil-a. Since businesses seem to care so much about political issues, it's good to see that some people still stand against liberal media oppressions despite the consequences that will arise. You have to be honest, if your stance is not pro-gay marriage or some form of indifference, the media will slaughter you and try to make you out to be a nazi or commie.



"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth." -My good friend Mark Aurelius

bouzane said:

"I believe that if a minister does not want to marry two people of the same sex it should really be left up to him and should NOT be seen as a violation of human rights, but a respect for the religious rights of the minister."

Why even mention this if it is not an issue?

Again, "Christians" lose nothing, they don't have to perform same-sex marriages. The only thing that changes is that the government recognizes these unions as legitimate and it forces insurance companies and various other corporate entities to provide the same benefits. That's it, equality for an often marginalized group of people. Again, I'm sure this would be Christ's intent. I'm sure he wouldn't be concerned with "traditional" marriage (again, that's been dead for a long time anyway) but instead the well being and happiness of others.

You could be right, but one thing about Christ is that he never compromised on his beliefs to appease others. Remember, Christ was much more extremist in his religious conservatism than even Moses!

Adultery

27“You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’e 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Some things Jesus was much more lenient on, like the Sabbat, but for the things that really mattered, Jesus was extreme! Look at underlined above!!

So even though his mercy and grace are endless, he senses sin much more powerfully than we do, as his sin detector is so much more accurate and amplified.

 

As such, what I understand Christ's heart to be in this matter is that he desires all men to live according to the law of God as stipulated in creation, the life-long commitment of a man to a woman in love and faithfulness. And in cases where this doesn't work, Christ's grace and mercy overflows. And when it comes to expressing displeasure with sexual immorality (scripturally), I believe Jesus would be the last person to yell it out, as the Mary Magdalene story highlighted (he drew in the sand with his finger, that sounds pretty calm to me). Also, the apostle Paul was not a political activist, but an embassador for the gospel, that was his utmost priority.

Anyway, ultimately Christ desires what I described above, all the while longing for the happiness of his creation certainly. Yet it pains him to see the sin in the world, and I'm just stating it as I read it.



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homer said:
Good for chick-fil-a. Since businesses seem to care so much about political issues, it's good to see that some people still stand against liberal media oppressions despite the consequences that will arise. You have to be honest, if your stance is not pro-gay marriage or some form of indifference, the media will slaughter you and try to make you out to be a nazi or commie.


No offense but it  infuriates me to see somebody mindlessly drone on about this non-existant liberal media bias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States

Also, Chick-Fil-a isn't simply defending "traditional" marriage. They fund groups that are flat out bigoted against homosexuality. This should not acceptable to any rational human being.



bouzane said:

No offense but it  infuriates me to see somebody mindlessly drone on about this non-existant liberal media bias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States

Also, Chick-Fil-a isn't simply defending "traditional" marriage. They fund groups that are flat out bigoted against homosexuality. This should not acceptable to any rational human being.

@bold. Okay, but how do you know?



happydolphin said:
bouzane said:

No offense but it  infuriates me to see somebody mindlessly drone on about this non-existant liberal media bias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States

Also, Chick-Fil-a isn't simply defending "traditional" marriage. They fund groups that are flat out bigoted against homosexuality. This should not acceptable to any rational human being.

@bold. Okay, but how do you know?


Another poster already linked you to the groups that they fund. Do a little bit of research on them, some of are quite terrible.



bouzane said:
homer said:
Good for chick-fil-a. Since businesses seem to care so much about political issues, it's good to see that some people still stand against liberal media oppressions despite the consequences that will arise. You have to be honest, if your stance is not pro-gay marriage or some form of indifference, the media will slaughter you and try to make you out to be a nazi or commie.


No offense but it  infuriates me to see somebody mindlessly drone on about this non-existant liberal media bias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States

Also, Chick-Fil-a isn't simply defending "traditional" marriage. They fund groups that are flat out bigoted against homosexuality. This should not acceptable to any rational human being.

Given the fact that is about 80% of Christians that still believe in the Biblical definition of marriage, I don't understand your point.

Just because someone takes a certain point of view on an issue doesn't mean that their goal is to prevent the other from living out that way of life. I am a Christian and 100% against homosexuality as a lifestyle. But if I had to vote, I would approve gay marriage in a heartbeat, because it doesn't effect me.

Many of the organizations that are being discussed do that. Groups like Focus on the Family are against homosexuality and about 1,000 other things. That doesn't mean that they want to kill gays, or bar all of them from recieving equal treatment under the law.



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Wonktonodi said:
mrstickball said:
I haven't read every comment, but how many people are discussing the fact that Rahm Emmanuel and Boston's mayor are using the power of their office to bar a business from their cities, whereas the statement from Truett Cathy has virtually no bearing on the business, nor people that are gay?

Talk about a double standard. If Chicago or Boston banned a business because it was run by blacks, wouldn't that be pretty bigoted? Only one entity in this discussion effects anyone else - and it isn't Chick-fil-A or Truett Cathy.


The discussion has gone a bit away from that. While I agree that the governments shouldn't bar over statements. I think where some of the money had gone with the charities does have some baring. http://equalitymatters.org/blog/201103220005#1

I don't think your double standard comparison is good. If they were going after the business because they are Christian then I could see the comparison. That isn't the reason though it's because they have given money to charities that are anti gay. If it was just Christian charities and this was being done I too would be outraged. That isn't the case though, this is not tolerating the intolerant.


You....Do realize that the vast majority of Christians hold to the Bible as being correct. Therefore, when it talks about homosexuality as being one of a large group of sexual issues that they are to avoid, that already puts them in that "bigoted, hateful" category by your standards, right?

There's a difference between a group promoting traditional marriage and values, and being a group that targets and hates gays. I know of most of those organizations that EqualityMatters discusses. The vast majority of work that they do has nothing to do with gays or gay rights at all. They simply take a Biblical stand on the issue (as 80% of all churches do across the denominational spectrum), which automatically puts them in the targets of groups like Equality Matters... Which seems to be hellbent not on equality, but forcing everyone to accept their viewpoint as the only one being correct (which to me sounds just as bigoted as the organizations they target).



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