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oniyide said:
Jumpin said:
MGS, Kid Icarus, Resident Evil are all fine series; but none of those are huge franchises - sales of games in those franchises are always limited to 3-5 million lifetime, tops; much fewer on handheld even. There hasn't been a huge franchise game released since Mario Kart that can do over 15 million lifetime. Of course, if there were like 20-30 RE/MGS caliber games, it might make up for it.

I think New Super Mario Brothers 2 should help out a lot


there are few games that will do 15 mil on any system. Surely, you cant expect 3DS to churn out one of those every other month. But looking at the sale for those games you mentioned i doubt they will even reach sales that the other games in the same series usually enjoy

The 6 big franchises that can are:
Super Mario Bros.
Mario Kart
Pokemon
Call of Duty
Wii Fit
Wii Sports
GTA used to be one


Only three of those are applicable for handhelds, although, the new 3D Mario Land title's success has been encouraging; it's not really a separate franchise, but it is a sub-franchise in a different sub-genre. 3D Mario games are picking up in popularity; and level based platformers are an excellent fit on handheld systems due to the short play sessions.



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OK, that needs some text.

First: Some here say, the 3DS is doing good in the US. While that's true, it's not as good as some expected, looking at the DS. The DS sold 50 million in the US and 33 million in Japan. So it was much more successful in the West. But the 3DS sells slightly better in Japan. That needs an explanation. I would've worded it different: Why does the 3DS sells better in Japan?

Second: Some claim Smartphones are the reason. I don't buy into that. That may have an impact, but that big? Remember, Japan was big into smartphones, even before the iPhone. Remeber imode-phones?

Shifting markets: The console market in Japan is shifting away from home-consoles to handehelds. That is a possible explanation, I don't know if that accounts for the whole difference, but it might explain a part of this phenomenon. So, handheld-sales in Japan increased, because people ditched their home-console for a mobile experience. That does mean, the 3DS sells not bad in the West, but it sells better in Japan.

And games: Many already said that. Japan has more games, that weren't released here (yet). We in the west also want Fire Emblem (Q1 2013, really Nintendo?), Monster Hunter and more. The 3DS has more games, that cater to the japanese audience. Look at Monster Hunter, Kid Icarus (while it may be interesting for western players, too few know about that), this japanese girl-band-game, culdcept, stuff like that.

What will happen in the future?

I think the XL has impact in Japan and the West the same. But cleverly Nintendo of Europe releases New Art Academy around the XL release. This game/application was biggest here in Europe, and it may be very cool, to paint on the big touchscreen of the XL. That will have some impact here in Europe, not too big, but relevant.

 NSMB2 naturally will be bought in West. A main Pokemon-game for the 3DS would do wonders. Pokemon Black/White 2 will have a low impact, but some will buy a 3DS for the additional download-apps for 3DS.

But the most important part will be a steady flood of normal titles (not crap, not big hits). As Japan does have this already, we need more localizations.



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noname2200 said:

darkknightkryta said:
As it is highly glossed over, smartphones is the reason. Smartphones have small sales in Japan...

*sigh*

Srsly?


Smartphones aren't a hot commodity in Japan, regular phones with a lot of features are.  Why do you think the majority of phones are touch screen-less flip phones?  It's the main reason why handhelds can survive Japan.



oniyide said:
davidd_err18 said:
GAMES!... thats the reason. The price is right, power and marketing are standard for a succesful handheld, but it need more games from:

3rd Party Western Publishers are not supporting the platform like the Eastern guys- EA, Bioware, Activision, Epic, Bethesda, Rockstar, Take-Two, THQ and Ubisoft. All of this company are not suporting the 3DS platform with their big core franchises neither they are releasing a lot quality games (or in some cases they are not supporting the console at all!)

Just look at EA, one of the biggest publishers in the World, they have only released subpar rushed dumbed down launch titles (a Sims game, Fifa 12 and Madden 3DS) and Need for speed: The Run; where is Dead Space? where is NBA Jam? where is Mass Effect? where are Battlefield or Crisis or a Medal of Honor game?

Now compare that to a japanese developer like Capcom, with Big games like Monser Hunter TriG (and the soon to be released Monster Hunter 4), Resident Evil Revelations and Mercenaries, Super Street Figher 3DS, Project X Zone, Professor Layton vs. Ace Attorney, Ace attorney 5, Ex Troopers. Now lets do this with Square Enix, we have games like Kingdom Hearts 3D, Dragon Quest Monsters: TW 3D, Bravely Default: Flying Fairy, Heroes of Ruin, Theathrytm Final Fantasy. This developers actually tried to make quality games and they are supporting big time!

some of those games you mentioned would not be that popular on a portable console. Dead Space?? not gonna happen. Nba Jam?? that series aint that popular no more. Mass Effect, there is one on Iphone/pad, but im not sure how good it is. Battlefield will never be on a portable, not in the way we know, that is such a silly game to suggest for 3DS. 

No oniyide, as I was told the other day, we should expect games like Battlefield on handhelds now. If it doesn't make it to the 3DS it's apparently because of the lack of a default second stick, and not because they've never made a Battlefield handheld game before, thus there being nothing to suggest they ever would anyway...



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Araknie said:

This thread is pointless.

According to this very site:

Japan totals: 6.3M
Europe totals: 4.6M
North America totals: 5.6M

Not doing well in the west? The 3DS?

I feel a troll in the air, please someone close this thread. I'm starting to get mad for the amount of the hate Nintendo after the E3, yeah because Sony and Microsoft conferences were so effin great. LOL

@Bold. BAHAHAHA This is NintendoPie you're talking about. I've never seen a user love Nintendo as much as this guy. No, you're getting it wrong.

What he meant was, not so well in the west as compared to how other consoles usually fair in proportion to Japan, especially the 3DS' predecessor:

PosPlatformNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
2 Nintendo DS (DS) 55.31 51.40 33.01 12.43 152.15

As you can see, it's almost 3 to 1, west to japan. Right now for 3DS, Japan beasts US and Europe individually 1 to 1.

So you see, his question is valid. For 3DS to reach the numbers DS reached, it would take for NoA to get its A in gear. Europe is another story, they're doing well with localization and such, the econonmy is just so-so I guess. But NA is still buying consoles, so something's wrong.



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It is simply that there hasn't been a cross market blockbusters like Pokemon, Brain Age or Nintendogs that can push the 3DS to DS sales territory.

But beyond that, it pretty much comes down to the fact that the West (or more specifically the United States) aren't into handhelds as much as Japan. Heck, in Japan, the portable devices are pretty much King since early in the first console generation. But after little less then a year, I don't think it is valid to say it isn't doing well in one territory when the difference is about a million and as I stated, the DS at around this time had its major genre busting games being first released.



NoirSon said:
1) It is simply that there hasn't been a cross market blockbusters like Pokemon, Brain Age or Nintendogs that can push the 3DS to DS sales territory.

2) But beyond that, it pretty much comes down to the fact that the West (or more specifically the United States) aren't into handhelds as much as Japan. Heck, in Japan, the portable devices are pretty much King since early in the first console generation. But after little less then a year, I don't think it is valid to say it isn't doing well in one territory when the difference is about a million and as I stated, the DS at around this time had its major genre busting games being first released.

1) Pokemon is true, Brain Age too, but not Nintendogs. If you mean "Like Nintendogs", but a new IP, yeah you're right.

2) Far as I know, Nintendo's handhelds have always been big in the states (/Canada/Mexico), always higher than the sales in Japan. For the DS and Gameboy, that logic extended to Europe also:

PosPlatformNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
2 Nintendo DS (DS) 55.31 51.40 33.01 12.43 152.15
3 Game Boy (GB) 43.18 40.05 32.47 2.99 118.69
6 Game Boy Advance (GBA) 40.39 21.31 16.96 2.85 81.51
7 PlayStation Portable (PSP) 21.12 21.46 19.02 13.03 74.63

The question is, how to explain the 3DS?

16 Nintendo 3DS (3DS) 5.70 4.83 6.30 1.39 18.22

The main answers are:

 

  • A big holiday season should be coming to start the momentum.
  • Nintendo's US trends usually 1 year later than Japan trends, and higher sales usually begin in years 2 and counting, up until the trend phases back down.
  • A lack of a marketing push for the 3DS in the West (imho).
  • Competition from smartphones.
  • A lack of compelling games to compensate for the lack of interest in the platform in the West. (like you mentioned) This should soon be fixed with NSMB2 and Animal Crossing, as well as a few others coming out in the next few months.


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TruckOSaurus said:
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There's over 311 million people in the US and about 127 million people in Japan. Yet weekly Japanese 3DS sales are constantly and considerably higher than in the US which means the console is a much much bigger success over there.

Raw numbers don't say much on their own. There are over 700 million people in Europe, yet it's still the smallest market for videogames (of the traditional three) and always has been.