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was catholic until I was forced to be confirmed, any religion that forces people to do anything is ridiculous.



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richardhutnik said:
EdHieron said:
I guess she has a thing for child molesting and witch burning.

Witch burnings actually have more to do with Protestantism, if that, and civl governments.

Pro tip: Not everything is about America.

Look into the witch-hunts of the middle ages, sponsored by the Roman Catholic Inquisition.



Aielyn said:
richardhutnik said:
EdHieron said:
I guess she has a thing for child molesting and witch burning.

Witch burnings actually have more to do with Protestantism, if that, and civl governments.

Pro tip: Not everything is about America.

Look into the witch-hunts of the middle ages, sponsored by the Roman Catholic Inquisition.

The focus of the Inquisition was on heretics primarily, not the hunting of witches.  And the top worst trademark of the Inquisition was torture, not burnings.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_burn2.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_hunts_in_Early_Modern_Europe

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15674a.htm

http://www.salon.com/2005/02/01/witch_craze/

 

A real pro tip is to not buy into stereotypical and lazy thinking based on erroneous cliches.  And for people to not confused what had happened in the past with the state of things currently.  It is really pushing it to say one of the trademarks today of the Catholic Church is the burning of witches.  It would be, at worst, akin to saying that being drawn to Mormonism today means you have a thing for polygamy.



richardhutnik said:
The focus of the Inquisition was on heretics primarily, not the hunting of witches.  And the top worst trademark of the Inquisition was torture, not burnings.

Wrong inquisition. That was...

Nobody expects the spanish inquisition.

But seriously, there have been many inquisitions.

Also, for the record, witch burnings are mostly urban myth. It was rare for witches to be burned - they were usually drowned or hanged. I simply took "witch burnings" to really be referring to witch-hunts and the resulting killings of witches.



richardhutnik said:
KungKras said:
She did it only because she liked the moral framework?

Not because she got a sign or something that to her, personally indicated the existance of god?

What a silly reason. Still, why is this news?

People convert to something along the lines of their personality, for the most part, and what they find successful.  If you look at the stories of Chesterton and C.S Lewis, you see this.  I recall one noted philosopher who converted to Christianity in his later years, for philosophical reasons.

And it is really silly of them. Personal taste shouldn't have any bearing on what people hold as truths about the world. No matter how much I would like to fly, I can't just go "I really like the thought of flying, so now I believe that humans can fly, *jumps off cliff*"



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Rath said:
JazzB1987 said:
Rath said:
Huh, weird. If I was to convert to a Christian sect for being sustainable and plausible I probably wouldn't have picked the Catholics - who have a weird, convoluted and contradictory history.


What does history have to do with it? Germany had nazis, Americans almost killed all indians and had stupid reasons for invading countries a few years ago. Arabs tried to conquer the world hundreds of years ago same did ROME  or France with napoleon and the crusaders of the church. Russians forcefully controlled  most of eastern europe and  England fought the war of independance egainst the free people of the USA and also conquered alot of Africa same did France. Australia had alot of murderers thiefs etc.   


Just because people were dumb in the past doesnt make them dumb now.  I mean even protestants were catholics  back in the day before protestants existed....   so just because you have another name  makes you different?  So why do people still call Germany Nazi's even tho it was not Germany but the Third German Reich  that was full of nazis? Its another name.


I totally dislike that people always have this unsmart view of things.    People change  and just because individuals do something stupid it doesnt make the whole group stupid especially when most of the stupid things happened before anyone of us was born.


Yes but none of those groups claim to represent and be guided by the one and only God. For a religion to have such a contradictory history in my opinion kind of reduces its credibility.

Also I'm not protestant - I'm atheist. I don't think any of the Christian sects are right, I just think Catholics are the most obviously wrong.


Lol? You either cant read or you cant understand what your read or you dont know history.  How have arabs back in the day or crusaders nothing do to with religion? Even napoleon fought in the name of god.(well he said so)  And what do you think the HOLY roman empire was? No they had nothing to do with Hollywood because HOLY just has 1 L.
Another example is why do you think spanish and portoguese etc tried to convert those indians into christian religion?  Sure they killed them before they tried to convert them  simply because they wanted their gold  (im talkung about latin americans now) BUT the final reason for aztecs or mayas or inkas (i dunno how to write them in english lol)  to "not" exist anymore is religion they killed them because they didnt want to convert to the invaders religion.  Its not like they were barbaric analphabets that couldnt speak  they told the inquisitors  to go F*CK themselves and get lost.

And again what does that have to do with anything? Nothing. Before christians/catholics were stupid it was good
 
Just because a leader starts the war in the name of god doesnt make it worse than someone who starts a war because he wants to. The god thing is mostly just an excuse by leaders   so idiots believe them and support the war.  Noone of us knows what wars were fought because the Vatican said so. And  every kind of government or system can be corrupted  etc.



it could happen to anyone, i may convert to being a blogger tomorrow!



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- George Orwell, ‘1984’

richardhutnik said:
Aielyn said:
richardhutnik said:
EdHieron said:
I guess she has a thing for child molesting and witch burning.

Witch burnings actually have more to do with Protestantism, if that, and civl governments.

Pro tip: Not everything is about America.

Look into the witch-hunts of the middle ages, sponsored by the Roman Catholic Inquisition.

The focus of the Inquisition was on heretics primarily, not the hunting of witches.  And the top worst trademark of the Inquisition was torture, not burnings.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_burn2.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_hunts_in_Early_Modern_Europe

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15674a.htm

http://www.salon.com/2005/02/01/witch_craze/

 

A real pro tip is to not buy into stereotypical and lazy thinking based on erroneous cliches.  And for people to not confused what had happened in the past with the state of things currently.  It is really pushing it to say one of the trademarks today of the Catholic Church is the burning of witches.  It would be, at worst, akin to saying that being drawn to Mormonism today means you have a thing for polygamy.


Okay, I'll admit that there's a difference between what is happening today in the Catholic Church  -- Child Molesting -- with what happened in the past at least 100,000 heretics, witches, and Jews being burned alive along with the genocide of the Aztecs.  But all of those things are very bad and demonstrate the moral structure of that cult quite well.

And considering that some LDS Missionaries will tell you that polygamy will be restored to their church once Jesus returns to establish his earthly kingdom in Jackson County, Missouri, I would have to say that some people are still probably drawn to that cult because they have a thing for polygamy.



Aielyn said:
richardhutnik said:
The focus of the Inquisition was on heretics primarily, not the hunting of witches.  And the top worst trademark of the Inquisition was torture, not burnings.

Wrong inquisition. That was...

Nobody expects the spanish inquisition.

But seriously, there have been many inquisitions.

Also, for the record, witch burnings are mostly urban myth. It was rare for witches to be burned - they were usually drowned or hanged. I simply took "witch burnings" to really be referring to witch-hunts and the resulting killings of witches.

It is one of those iconic things that stands out, like the Inquisition being seen as only torture.  It is most memorable, even if it isn't true.  The worse iconically represents what had happened.  There are risks, when trying to correct things, particularly in the context of someone saying someone is drawn to the Catholic church due to witch burning and molestation (and that isn't even so), to end up sounding like one is akin to those who deny the Holocaust.  It was a concern of mine when responding.  Any amount of excesses is horrible actually. 

What gets to be a mess is trying to sort out what the official stand of the Catholic Church is, and the ideals held, from that which governments did, and individual communities did.  



JazzB1987 said:
Rath said:
JazzB1987 said:
Rath said:
Huh, weird. If I was to convert to a Christian sect for being sustainable and plausible I probably wouldn't have picked the Catholics - who have a weird, convoluted and contradictory history.


What does history have to do with it? Germany had nazis, Americans almost killed all indians and had stupid reasons for invading countries a few years ago. Arabs tried to conquer the world hundreds of years ago same did ROME  or France with napoleon and the crusaders of the church. Russians forcefully controlled  most of eastern europe and  England fought the war of independance egainst the free people of the USA and also conquered alot of Africa same did France. Australia had alot of murderers thiefs etc.   


Just because people were dumb in the past doesnt make them dumb now.  I mean even protestants were catholics  back in the day before protestants existed....   so just because you have another name  makes you different?  So why do people still call Germany Nazi's even tho it was not Germany but the Third German Reich  that was full of nazis? Its another name.


I totally dislike that people always have this unsmart view of things.    People change  and just because individuals do something stupid it doesnt make the whole group stupid especially when most of the stupid things happened before anyone of us was born.


Yes but none of those groups claim to represent and be guided by the one and only God. For a religion to have such a contradictory history in my opinion kind of reduces its credibility.

Also I'm not protestant - I'm atheist. I don't think any of the Christian sects are right, I just think Catholics are the most obviously wrong.


Lol? You either cant read or you cant understand what your read or you dont know history.  How have arabs back in the day or crusaders nothing do to with religion? Even napoleon fought in the name of god.(well he said so)  And what do you think the HOLY roman empire was? No they had nothing to do with Hollywood because HOLY just has 1 L.
Another example is why do you think spanish and portoguese etc tried to convert those indians into christian religion?  Sure they killed them before they tried to convert them  simply because they wanted their gold  (im talkung about latin americans now) BUT the final reason for aztecs or mayas or inkas (i dunno how to write them in english lol)  to "not" exist anymore is religion they killed them because they didnt want to convert to the invaders religion.  Its not like they were barbaric analphabets that couldnt speak  they told the inquisitors  to go F*CK themselves and get lost.

And again what does that have to do with anything? Nothing. Before christians/catholics were stupid it was good
 
Just because a leader starts the war in the name of god doesnt make it worse than someone who starts a war because he wants to. The god thing is mostly just an excuse by leaders   so idiots believe them and support the war.  Noone of us knows what wars were fought because the Vatican said so. And  every kind of government or system can be corrupted  etc.


*sigh*

I'm not ignorant of history, you're missing my point. The Catholic church claims to be representing an omnipotent, omniscient deity yet they change dogma relating to this deity - this is contradictory and implies that the Catholic church doesn't really have divine authority (or that God is really really indecisive).

None of the stuff you posted relates in any way.