Incorrect sir.

The thing "holding developers back", as you put it, is BUDGET(as well as a bad economy).

Example?  THE GREATEST PC GAMING stuff you can buy right now, and you still won't be getting NEXT GEN Software.

You've got some PC exclusives, such as DIABLO 3.....a AAA budget game, but guess what?  DIABLO 3 is last gen software tech.

Then you've go other PC exclusives....you've got THE WITCHER 2......BLACKLIGHT.....STAR WARS:TOR....HARD RESET, and the upcoming GUILD WARS 2.

All, nice games for sure, but none of those games is pushing next gen software boundaries.....not a 1.....they are all current gen tech.   If you can come up with 1, you can PM me....but we'll both be waiting a long time.

Considering that developers are having a hell of a time just staying in business right now, then it's not wonder most developers outside of some elite ones that you can count on 1 hand, are saying that they'd like this gen to go on for a bit longer.

Bringing a new consoles sooner rather than later, won't bring 10 times the graphics or 10 times the gameplay, as much as it will bring 10 times the bankruptcy.

I wouldn't mind a well built $600 PS4 from Sony. . Without the extra cost of Blu ray and the Cell it could be a bigger beast then PS3 was-and still make money-lose little on every system. Nintendo is going to go for the Cheapest, MS will go for a mid priced system, Sony might as well go wild and try something new and expensive. (or just end up the 3rd system that does was the other two do, just without Mario and Halo)

Anyways im starting to think 2014 jan-March launch (at least for US-Europe maybe December 2013 for Japan)

$400 hardware that takes a small loss is more than enough for a big jump. That's BF3 on Ultra/1080p at launch specs we're looking at.

That's actually what I'm still betting on with MSony next gen. However the quotes from Sony make me feel like they'll repeat PS3 and Vita with over done hardware at a price point higher than the previous gen.

Oh OK. I definitely don't think they'll pull a repeat of PS3, they really can only afford to put off the shelf pc parts in it. And I think Vita's not a great comparison, it was the same price as the 3DS when announced, and it's vastly more powerful. I think Durango/Orbis will be similar on power, if the 3DS was similar the Vita than it wouldn't of got that price drop. I could see the highest price point being $450, I highly doubt it'll be priced higher than current gen at launch.

PC isn't a factor to me. Big budget multiplat games are designed primarily for consoles. Hence, if there were technically superior consoles the PC would also get visually superior games.

I believe the primary reason Diablo 3 has current gen graphics is so that it's accessible to more consumers. I see people playing Diablo 3 on the same old PC or laptop they've had for years. If Blizzard made Diablo 3 with next gen caliber graphics then less people would be able to play it. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems the best selling PC games generally have relatively low requirements. Which make them accessible to more people.

1 - Don't expect a PS4 being released before late 2014;
2 - Don't expect a PS4/XBOX720 costing less than $500 at launch.

Exactly lol, these guys think Sony will make huge losses just by releasing an expensive PS4. Lets say the parts itself cost 470 bucks and the retail price is $499, that means they'll make 30 bucks on every console sold. How did Nintendo get rich last gen? They didnt even sell 25 million consoles yet they got massive profits out of it.

graphics is one of the only advantages Sony can have over Nintendo, they can't risk to lose that

PS Vita released at the same price point as the PSP. Right now they're making profits on the Vita and even more so on its memory cards.