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Iveyboi on 01 June 2012
WiiBox3 said:
brendude13 said:
happydolphin said:
brendude13 said:
walsufnir said:

keeping in mind how old they are these 3 games have to considered as true art, especially in terms of storytelling and game-depth. the graphics look ugly now and the sound seems terrible, but, as mentioned above, the great opening scene in VI should appeal to any gamer.

perhaps i'm just too old :)

I'm playing VI now, I'm 6 hours in and I've lost interest in it, haven't touched it for a few months. If that opening scene was great, then maybe I'm not suited for this game.

Like most classic final fantasies, you only really get in after at least 1/3rd into the game (some 20 hours in). When I played Final Fantasy VIII, I was discouraged 3 times with large breaks in between where I said to myself I wouldn't play it before I actually got to the point where I didn't want to stop. (disk 2)

In FFVI, there is a similar point where you just don't want to stop, but I don't know if you've reached it yet. (I wouldn't think so)

I think that moment, for me at least, was around when I heard this music for the first time:

 

Yeah, I just edited my original post to put that in. That's happened to me so many times, I've hated the start of a game, grew to love it, and when I replayed the start it still seemed great. It happened with Skyrim, the first day I said I regretted my purchase, by the end of the week I had clocked in around 50 hours.


That was the same problem I had with Fallout 3. I enjoyed the first 10 hours, then I got bored. After 6 months I came back to it, and now I have clocked well over 100 hours in the game, and I still feel there is so much I have left untouched.

Maybe I need to give FF VIII, FF IX, and FF XIII another go. My problems with FF VIII and FF IX were that I only got a week to play each of them, during winter break in college. But I also had other things going on, so I never got back to either of them. FF XIII bored me to tears, but the battle system was pretty good. Maybe I need to give it another go, but with so many other games in my backlog, it probably won't be any time soon.

Hey has anyone played Cuthulu Saves the World? I'm wondering how good it is.

I played Cuthulu & Breath of Death 7. For a BUDGET game it was great and really funny



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Scoobes on 01 June 2012
Runa216 said:
walsufnir said:
Runa216 said:
Final Fantasy VI is my favorite for many reasons:

1 - no central main character, almost ALL of them are deep and well developed.
2 - LOTS of different characters with distinct play styles, equipment loadouts, weapons, skills, etc
3 - Best villain in a game, ever
4 - LOADS of sidequests. in fact the entire second half of the game is nonlinear and optional
5 - Fantastic story with loads of twists and turns, reveals, and shifting allegiences.
6 - Maybe the best score in a FF game...but it's got some persistently good competition from many others

I just think it's so fresh compared to the others, with less linearity, optional characters/events, and oh my god Kefka is such a memorable villain. who cares if he's loosely based off The Joker, it's fantastic, maniacal, and successful! there were so many little nuances and quirks to the game (like killing doomtrain with a phoenix down) as well as high concepts like going into Cyan's mind to confront and defeat his demons. To this day I haven't unlocked everything or figured everything out.

yes, kefka was such a good villain :) but i cannot decide who "wins" for me - kefka or sephiroth.

but yes, VI was just perfect. there is not a simple thing that i dislike at VI. i would love to play it again with modern graphics and sound when  both can keep up the style and atmosphere from the original.

You know the funniest thing?  Final Fantasy VII is my second favorite FF game, yet I really don't like Sephiroth as a villain.  as I once read, Sephiroth is a neo-pagan environmentalist with an oedipus complex, delusions of grandeur, and a sweet wardrobe.  

Before he went crazy, he was interesting, but once he turns to the dark side, obsessed with Jenova and the rebirth of the planet and the ancients and stuff, well, he just became an empty shell of generic baddie that happened to LOOK cool. 

Kefka, on the other hand, poisons a town's water supply and laughs maniacally as each and every man, woman, and child falls down dead...and even kills his own troops if they get in his way.  

You know, now that I think about it, I actually think VI was the only FF with a truly menacing and memorable villain.  Sephiroth was as I said a neo-pagan with mommy issues, Ultimecia was barely in the game, etc.  Some of the other villains were good, but none were actually the final villains. Kuja was pretty good, but was being manipulated, Adel and Edea were again being manipulated by ultmecia, I don't even remember WHO was the boss in XII.  Jecht was cool, but again with Yu Yevon, I don't remember who the villain was in IV, Garland controlled by Chaos, etc...see what I mean?  They should really mix this up a bit! 

In retrospect, Sephiroth was easily the second best villain...

I never hated Sephiroth in the way you normally should with a villain. He was a very interesting villain early on but the transition from admired hero to villain felt a bit bizzare and quick. He basically just went a bit mad and snapped. He did make me want to kill him in the latter stages though. It annoyed me how he kept leaving pieces of "Mother" instead of fighting you himself.




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Runa216 on 01 June 2012
Scoobes said:
I never hated Sephiroth in the way you normally should with a villain. He was a very interesting villain early on but the transition from admired hero to villain felt a bit bizzare and quick. He basically just went a bit mad and snapped. He did make me want to kill him in the latter stages though. It annoyed me how he kept leaving pieces of "Mother" instead of fighting you himself.

Maybe I'm just a psychopath, but I kinda sympathized with him.  in FFVII, the humans effectively commited genocide on his race and are destroying the world he was bred to protect; in an odd way, he was fully justified in destroying humanity.  That was, until he decided to use the planet's power to gain immortality or whatever.  he was borderline sympathetic until he changed his motives to be selfish. 



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darkknightkryta on 01 June 2012
Scoobes said:

I never hated Sephiroth in the way you normally should with a villain. He was a very interesting villain early on but the transition from admired hero to villain felt a bit bizzare and quick. He basically just went a bit mad and snapped. He did make me want to kill him in the latter stages though. It annoyed me how he kept leaving pieces of "Mother" instead of fighting you himself.

Yeah they never did properly explain his depths into darkness other than "I'm Jenova's clone, let's burn a village down and summon a meteor".  Like he seemed to have been perfectly fine before he found out he was a clone, and yet we're supposed to believe his descent into madness cause he found out he's a clone?  But then again that was a major theme in the game, being a clone and all made you emo.  And yes kinda annoying he never dealt with you himself, or him not visibly being in the game, I'm sure he spoke less than Ultemicia. 



Scoobes on 01 June 2012
Runa216 said:
Scoobes said:
I never hated Sephiroth in the way you normally should with a villain. He was a very interesting villain early on but the transition from admired hero to villain felt a bit bizzare and quick. He basically just went a bit mad and snapped. He did make me want to kill him in the latter stages though. It annoyed me how he kept leaving pieces of "Mother" instead of fighting you himself.

Maybe I'm just a psychopath, but I kinda sympathized with him.  in FFVII, the humans effectively commited genocide on his race and are destroying the world he was bred to protect; in an odd way, he was fully justified in destroying humanity.  That was, until he decided to use the planet's power to gain immortality or whatever.  he was borderline sympathetic until he changed his motives to be selfish. 

I think they could have dealt with the transformation more effectively. He's lived with humans all his life so his turning psychopath seemed far too quick. He might not have been raised by close family but he would have had comrades and made friends with humans. We never saw a mental battle between his emotional link with humanity and his bizzare newly discovered links with Jenova and the Anchients.

A few nights of heavy reading and he's ready to kill all humans




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Iveyboi on 01 June 2012

The only videogame sequence that made me cry (Crisis Core Ending):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXk9W96-PuE

One of the best OST's EVER



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outlawauron on 02 June 2012
Scoobes said:
Runa216 said:
walsufnir said:
Runa216 said:
Final Fantasy VI is my favorite for many reasons:

1 - no central main character, almost ALL of them are deep and well developed.
2 - LOTS of different characters with distinct play styles, equipment loadouts, weapons, skills, etc
3 - Best villain in a game, ever
4 - LOADS of sidequests. in fact the entire second half of the game is nonlinear and optional
5 - Fantastic story with loads of twists and turns, reveals, and shifting allegiences.
6 - Maybe the best score in a FF game...but it's got some persistently good competition from many others

I just think it's so fresh compared to the others, with less linearity, optional characters/events, and oh my god Kefka is such a memorable villain. who cares if he's loosely based off The Joker, it's fantastic, maniacal, and successful! there were so many little nuances and quirks to the game (like killing doomtrain with a phoenix down) as well as high concepts like going into Cyan's mind to confront and defeat his demons. To this day I haven't unlocked everything or figured everything out.

yes, kefka was such a good villain :) but i cannot decide who "wins" for me - kefka or sephiroth.

but yes, VI was just perfect. there is not a simple thing that i dislike at VI. i would love to play it again with modern graphics and sound when  both can keep up the style and atmosphere from the original.

You know the funniest thing?  Final Fantasy VII is my second favorite FF game, yet I really don't like Sephiroth as a villain.  as I once read, Sephiroth is a neo-pagan environmentalist with an oedipus complex, delusions of grandeur, and a sweet wardrobe.  

Before he went crazy, he was interesting, but once he turns to the dark side, obsessed with Jenova and the rebirth of the planet and the ancients and stuff, well, he just became an empty shell of generic baddie that happened to LOOK cool. 

Kefka, on the other hand, poisons a town's water supply and laughs maniacally as each and every man, woman, and child falls down dead...and even kills his own troops if they get in his way.  

You know, now that I think about it, I actually think VI was the only FF with a truly menacing and memorable villain.  Sephiroth was as I said a neo-pagan with mommy issues, Ultimecia was barely in the game, etc.  Some of the other villains were good, but none were actually the final villains. Kuja was pretty good, but was being manipulated, Adel and Edea were again being manipulated by ultmecia, I don't even remember WHO was the boss in XII.  Jecht was cool, but again with Yu Yevon, I don't remember who the villain was in IV, Garland controlled by Chaos, etc...see what I mean?  They should really mix this up a bit! 

In retrospect, Sephiroth was easily the second best villain...

I never hated Sephiroth in the way you normally should with a villain. He was a very interesting villain early on but the transition from admired hero to villain felt a bit bizzare and quick. He basically just went a bit mad and snapped. He did make me want to kill him in the latter stages though. It annoyed me how he kept leaving pieces of "Mother" instead of fighting you himself.

Well, most of the time in the beginning, Sephiroth isn't Sephiroth. I mean, no one still thinks he killed Aeris right? We all know it was Jenova?



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Kinneas14 on 02 June 2012
Spazzy_D said:
TC_Squared said:
To be honest, I'm somewhat surprised this blog considers 1-10, and not 1-9. 10 even changed traditions quite a bit.


Time for me to admit something - I've only played 32 minutes of 10.  I know this becuase my old memory card tells me so, lol.  Anyway, I just couldn't get into it, the entire time I was playing it seemed like one giant cut scene, it was super linear and I felt no attachment to the characters.  I know I was only 32 minutes in, but I'm not one to put effort into something I don't enjoy.  Come to think of it, the PS2 might have been the system that killed my love for JRPGs..... (still enjoy a good one, though)

At the beginning I was uncertain about X, too...but, you know, it was an FF on a new generation console so I decide to keep playing it....and I ended up liking it a lot!

PS2 was a great JRPG system, but probably, it never touched the quality peak of the PS1.



Kinneas14 on 02 June 2012

What do you guys think about FF XII?

I know that it was/is an abused topic, but I'm doubtful about it.

It's one of the few games that I bought on day1, I remember that I was super excited, but for me it was a let down, in general.

Characters, and the story, were bland, and not deep enough. For example how the heck is Ashe supposed to team up with Basch if she thinks that he killed his father?! And Vaan, somebody said that Square-Enix made him in a way that the player would identify himself....bah, that's not an excuse to make such a soulless main character.

Talking about combat system, it was a good idea, Gambit were something fresh, but at a certain point of the game I was so strong that I defeated King Behemot (yes, King Behemot!!) without touching the controller. So I feel like it was a missed opportunity, it seemed a good strategy system, but it ended up taking to the player the possibility to control the party.

In conclusion, I really like FFXII as a "normal" game, in fact I think that if it wasn't called FF, everybody would have said that it was a masterpiece, but, for me, it was a bad/decent FF (better than XIII, though).



brendude13 on 02 June 2012
Iveyboi said:
The only videogame sequence that made me cry (Crisis Core Ending):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXk9W96-PuE

One of the best OST's EVER

Hear hear. This game needs some love in this thread, it has quite possibly my favourite Final Fantasy story and one of my favourite Final Fantasy OST's. The ending killed me as well, even though I knew it was coming.