You don't pay for PSN. Sony might feel pressured to next gen because of how much Microsoft is profiting though.

I remember when programs like Napster first appeared and people felt they were entitled to download all the music they want free because they pay for the internet. Your argument is equally ignorant.

Fair is bullshit spewed by socialists/commies. You wanna know whats truly fair? Not being oblige to pay for something you don't want or support.

Nobody cares if you stop gaming and more importantly you shouldn't care how people chose to spend their money. If you don't like the direction the industry is going, you can take your money elsewhere. That says more than pissing and moaning on a forum.

I wouldn't argue with him, it'll be likely arguing with a wall. And when you do manage to say something he can't counter, he'll pull a vanishing act. Experience tells me that more than enough, he'll just constantly try to play down MS and put up Sony as a god, in every thread. It's pointless even reporting/arguing with that flawless logic.

server rental fees featuring BF3+ and likly your next CoD, and more micro transactions coming SOON! DLC that would have been free or with the game at launch, an always on network connection required because we know you dont play alone....

rambling rant ... why i have not bought the last to C&C after owning all other versions, some times multiple copies.... soon to be the same with sim city if the rumors are true, i despise not being able to play off line, most of the time im on, but sometimes im away with my laptop and have no access, the choice is what i want even if i dont use it

at the rate things are going your going to have to rent a server if you want to play, they will not have enough offical servers to meet demand, and on the crack front, i could but buying the game would reinforce the idea its aceptable and stealing it would justify thier viewpoint, so its a not buy it market for me, ill just wonder off and play my older games and minecraft;)

also another anoyance, why 3-4 logins on some games, i feel they should work it out so if i were to buy it on steam, it intigrates the logins and bypasses the windows login (unless i tell it to not default that way) or ubisoft login or what ever, im starting to see this on xbl games too and thats driving me up a wall one of the main reasons i started console gaming was it was quicker to play and no need to worry about hardware for 5 years or so, now I have to enter in code after code after code I bought a text pad just to make it faster... makes me pissed enough i may not buy a next gen console... but dont hold me to that

You're a fool if you think I'm equating the piracy of copyrighted music to third parties paying for their own servers. You're definitely American....using socialists and commies as a scare tactic argument to scare someone into believing what you're saying is true. I know better. Some of the happiest, healthiest and nations with the best education in the world are socialist or have some sort of socialist policy. I am not arguing against the price of the console, nor the games, its everything in between thats screwing everyone.

Never questioned why you can game on the Wii and PS3 for free but on the 360 you can't even get to your own Netflix, Hulu or any secondary subscription account that you pay for?  Your blocked off until you pay them. Tell me how thats fair. Xbox Live doesn't have dedicated servers. Activision making players pay for COD Elite optional if they want to get everything in one package. 

Xbox Live (one year): $60 (Ten dollars of that already goes to Activision courtesy of Microsoft)

COD Elite:                     $50 

Battlefield 3 server costs

• 1 day: $1.49
• 7 days: $6.99
• 30 days: $24.99
• 90 days: $64.99

Oh boy, let me walk you through this. There is a lot of overhead in creating/maintaining an online infrastructure and ofcourse bandwidth fees.

Sony admits they have been in the red for years with PSN. Don't believe me? Read this article. http://www.1up.com/news/hirai-psn-losing-money-turn

If PSN is that expensive to operates then we can presume XBL is actually far more expensive to operate. XBL maintains all servers (excluding EA), while PSN does not. MS covers all bandwidth fees, while Sony puts some of it on the publishers. On top of that PSN offers much less content. Most notably content like demos, trailers, and even images. Most likely to keep bandwidth fees down.

Socialism is not entirely bad. You however are starting to cross a line because you think you're entitled to these online services regardless of overhead. You give a few bucks to an internet provider but I assure you your internet provider is not covering the overhead cost of services like PSN or XBL.

Its fair for MS to charge a fee to access online services because you have other options. XBL is forced on no one. If you buy a 360 its understood you will have to get a Gold subscription to access online services. If you didn't know that before making the purchase, you can return the console. Now explain to me how that's not fair?

If you don't support what MS does you're free to take your money elsewhere, many do. Yay free market!

How do you know $10 dollars goes directly to Activision? Frankly I don't care if it does, but was this announced?

You don't have pay for that extra crap to play CoD or BF3. More importantly, you don't have to play CoD or BF3 at all.

Commies just don't understand these things aren't forced on people. People choose to give money to these services because they actually want it.

I love how you fail to mention Sony has implemented an online pass for every first prty game and a PS+ sucription. MS does not require an online pass for first party games a policy that was invented by EA

how do you wish to know that i don't pay for psn with ps+? seriously...

LOL..@ Commies. Theres no commie here (a utopian way of life that in reality doesn't work). Don't get mad at me because I know how the American economy works. I'll give you one thing, you're correct that all of those things are optional, but what if someone who is a shooting fan wants all those games on an Xbox?  Free market? Microsoft and competition don't mix if you know their history, just saying. They like being a monopoly and thank god for Apple that the "free market" continues. 

Anyway as for the Xbox Live fee hike:

Bobby Kotick complaing that he doesn't get a cut of the Xbox Live subscriptions after Microsoft boasted about the majority of Xbox Live players being COD players.

http://gamer.blorge.com/2010/07/08/activision-wants-cut-from-xbox-live-subscription/

"So, with $60 a year out the door for many Call of Duty players – that would be those playing on Xbox 360, as opposed to PC or PlayStation 3 – it's already a significant $5 a month expense and Activision has only snagged a "modest amount" of that $5. So, subscription service, right? "We have an obligation to provide a return for our shareholders,"

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/12/bobby-kotick-on-the-business-of-call-of-duty-dlc-treyarch-inf/

A good enough portion of the money you pay yearly goes to Activision even if you don't play their games.