Was the Wii a fad?

Yes 131 38.76%
 
No 152 44.97%
 
Irrevelant, next-gen is coming 28 8.28%
 
see results 26 7.69%
 
Total:337

In some ways it was a fad, in others it wasn't.

Nintendo decided to primarily go for casual gamers with the Wii, and hey, at the time it came out, that worked very well! The Wii had by far the cheapest initial price tag, it is very small, silent and has the best design, something that fits nicely into modern feng-shui-inspired, TV-commercial-like empty living rooms.

But the real selling point were of course motion controls. That seemed like some excellent and innovative new idea that got people fantasizing about all the great new possibilities. Motion control heaven seemed unlimited, and many people probably even believed that traditional controls would soon vanish completely.

But sooner or later, the novelty wore off. It became more and more clear that the Wii is not the eternal holy grail of gaming. We realized that the original Wiimote is not perfect. It wasn't precise enough for some uses of motion controls. It has much fewer usable buttons/sticks than a traditional controller, which is problematic for traditional controlled games on the Wii.
The competitors weren't sleeping as well. Their consoles got way cheaper and they came out with their own motion control systems, which were even better than that of the Wii in at least some respect.

But what's even worse, we realized that the really great uses of motion controls are rather limited. Motion controls allowed for a few exciting and innovative new game concepts (like dancing and fitness), it can improve the experience of certain existing game concepts (like sports games), but for most other games it often only seemed as an annoying forced upon feature.

And of course with about 100 million units sold, at some point even the casual market got saturated. Then there's the problem of piracy: The Wii was hacked very quickly, it's very easy, doesn't cost anything, and even offers some great new features that the original unmodified Wii is missing. Unlike the PS3 and the 360, Wii piracy comes with hardly any problems. That really affects software sales.

So while the Wii's advantages constantly became less, it's disadvantages became more apparent: With more and more people having flat screen HD TVs, the Wii's blurry graphics look more and more scary, even when using a component cable. Online gaming is virtually non-existant and in general, unlike PS3/360 the Wii doesn't use the possibilites of being connected to the internet at all. Because of hardware limitations like extremely limited RAM, many big titles were never ported to the Wii.

The Wii lost much of it's original charme, the other consoles gained. It's simply time for a successor that fixes some of the Wii's problems.



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Mazty said:
Soriku said:
Mazty said:

If core games don't sell well on the wii, how can you argue it's a console made for core gamers? Obviously core gamers don't agree with you, otherwise core games would have sold well on the wii...and they haven't...


Again, gamers don't care for sales. If the console has a good number of enticing core games on it, that's all that's needed. But anyway, examples of core games that have sold well or at least decently on the Wii:

SSBB, Zelda TP and SS, Epic Mickey, Galaxy 1 and 2, The Conduit, Madworld, RE4 and the Umbrella Chronciles series, No More Heroes 1, Monster Hunter 3, Dragon Quest Swords, Monsters, and the Collection, Xenoblade, Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, Okami, Metroid Prime 3 and Other M, Donkey Kong, Tales of Symphonia: DotNW, Trauma Center, Kirby, Fire Emblem, Goldeneye...

If those were enticing core games then they would have sold well and they haven't. You couldn't come up with a more asinine argument if you tried. 

Is this a joke? They absolutely have.

Oh, but wait, "blah blah blah they haven't sold millions upon millions relative to the Wii's userbase! Obviously they're failures!" Let's ignore the fact that a game like No More Heroes 1 had a party to celebrate its sales, Capcom said in their financial that MH3 was success, many of the games I listed have multiple iterations on the Wii like Kirby, Metroid, Zelda, Trauma Center, DQ, and games like Epic Mickey, Brawl, Galaxy, etc. have undoubtedly sold well and monkey could tell you that. Epic Mickey is one of Disney's best-selling console games. But let's ignore all that, shall we? Obviously your opinion is the true one after all!

What a joke. There's no convincing someone as delusional as you. The only one you're convincing here is yourself. I hope you enjoy hearing yourself speak, because it doesn't seem like anyone else is defending you.




Sure it is, just like the NES, SNES, and especially the N64 and GC. They all stopped selling after ~5-6 years so I guess they were all fads. Seems like Nintendo only knows how to produce fads.



Fads usually only last one or two years. So if it really only was a fad then it was one of the most successful ones of all time.



Soriku said:
Mazty said:
Soriku said:
Mazty said:

If core games don't sell well on the wii, how can you argue it's a console made for core gamers? Obviously core gamers don't agree with you, otherwise core games would have sold well on the wii...and they haven't...


Again, gamers don't care for sales. If the console has a good number of enticing core games on it, that's all that's needed. But anyway, examples of core games that have sold well or at least decently on the Wii:

SSBB, Zelda TP and SS, Epic Mickey, Galaxy 1 and 2, The Conduit, Madworld, RE4 and the Umbrella Chronciles series, No More Heroes 1, Monster Hunter 3, Dragon Quest Swords, Monsters, and the Collection, Xenoblade, Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, Okami, Metroid Prime 3 and Other M, Donkey Kong, Tales of Symphonia: DotNW, Trauma Center, Kirby, Fire Emblem, Goldeneye...

If those were enticing core games then they would have sold well and they haven't. You couldn't come up with a more asinine argument if you tried. 

Is this a joke? They absolutely have.

Oh, but wait, "blah blah blah they haven't sold millions upon millions relative to the Wii's userbase! Obviously they're failures!" Let's ignore the fact that a game like No More Heroes 1 had a party to celebrate its sales, Capcom said in their financial that MH3 was success, many of the games I listed have multiple iterations on the Wii like Kirby, Metroid, Zelda, Trauma Center, DQ, and games like Epic Mickey, Brawl, Galaxy, etc. have undoubtedly sold well and monkey could tell you that. Epic Mickey is one of Disney's best-selling console games. But let's ignore all that, shall we? Obviously your opinion is the true one after all!

What a joke. There's no convincing someone as delusional as you. The only one you're convincing here is yourself. I hope you enjoy hearing yourself speak, because it doesn't seem like anyone else is defending you.

They haven't sold well considering the Wii console sales when compared to the 360 or PS3.
My point is that the wii is not for core gamers. No more heros sold just over 520,000....That's barely anything. 

 If the wii is for core gamers, explain the relatively low sales of core games on the console.

Why do I need people to defend me? The sales speak for themselves. 



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Mazty said:

They haven't sold well considering the Wii console sales when compared to the 360 or PS3.
My point is that the wii is not for core gamers. No more heros sold just over 520,000....That's barely anything. 

 If the wii is for core gamers, explain the relatively low sales of core games on the console.

Why do I need people to defend me? The sales speak for themselves. 


You're supposed to base each game on its own merit. Each game I listed has sold well for the publishers. It doesn't matter how well they sell in comparison to the PS3/360, as long as they did well for the publishers that's all that matters, and publishers have made it known that these games have sold well. For some reason you can't understand that. You won't even take evidence from the horse's mouth.

About No More Heroes...you know it's a niche game? And despite that it's Grasshopper's best selling game. And you also do know that NMH is also available on the PS3 and 360 right? Do you want me to tell you how abysmal the sales for the versions are compared to the Wii version?




My main Problem with the Wii was that it simply lacked substance. It was the first console in my life (started with NES) that I simply did not play with...

Lets look at the top 30 Software and show what Software somehow defined the Wii

1 Wii Sports
2 Mario Kart Wii
3 Wii Sports Resort
4 Wii Play Wii
5 New Super Mario Bros. Wii
6 Wii Fit
7 Wii Fit Plus
8 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
9 Super Mario Galaxy Wii
10 Just Dance 2
11 Just Dance 3
12 Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Wii
13 Mario Party 8 Wii
14 Wii Party
15 Super Mario Galaxy 2
16 Just Dance
17 The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
18 Donkey Kong Country Returns
19 Zumba Fitness Wii
20 Link's Crossbow Training Wii
21 LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga Wii
22 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock Wii
23 Animal Crossing: City Folk Wii
24 Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games
25 Michael Jackson: The Experience Wii
26 Carnival Games Wii
27 EA Sports Active Wii
28 Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree
29 Guitar Hero: World Tour Wii 2008
30 Super Paper Mario

If I look for a substantial single player experience that I am only left with Super Mario Bros Wii, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Lego Star Wars and Super Paper Mario... Very concentrated on the Platform Genre and no Game with a Focus on story telling and character development. Of these Games I only played Super Mario Galaxy but I am likely to buy some when I have finally finished my existing backlog.

If I compare the situation with the PS3 I simply got more substantial games and more variety:

1 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
2 Call of Duty: Black Ops
3 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
4 Grand Theft Auto IV
5 Gran Turismo 5
6 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
7 FIFA Soccer 12
8 Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
9 Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
10 Battlefield 3
11 Assassin's Creed II
12 LittleBigPlanet
13 Call of Duty: World at War
14 FIFA Soccer 11
15 Final Fantasy XIII
16 Red Dead Redemption
17 Resident Evil 5
18 Assassin's Creed
19 God of War III
20 Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
21 Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception
22 Gran Turismo 5 Prologue
23 Resistance: Fall of Man
24 Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood
25 MotorStorm
26 The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
27 FIFA Soccer 10
28 Batman: Arkham Asylum
29 Assassin's Creed: Revelations
30 Sports Champions

I do not like Shooters and Sandboxgames and therefore I will not go into CoD and GTA/Red Dead Redemption. I personally enjoy Final Fantasy XIII, Metal Gear Solid, Uncharted, Assassin's Creed, Resident Evil, Little Big Planet and God of War. I simply have more variety and besides the gameplay I have story telling and character development aspects in the games.

So the Wii sold better, but it mainly sold games that are often lack substance. It is nice for beginners who are not into games because they can learn the games rather quickly. But as a single player experience it was underwhelming for me. It is sad but I bought more games from the Virtual Console than for the Wii. The Wii might have sold very well but the SNES was the best Nintendo console for me... Super Mario World, Zelda 3, Terranigma, Castlevania, Metroid, Super Probotector, Terranigma, Actraiser... (Unfortunately europe did not get Final Fantasy...).



Mazty said:
That's half a sentence. Because games like Wii sports...what? And it's a bad joke calling wii sports and wii fit a game. Call of Duty is a game. Wii sports is as much a game as farmville. The Wii is a console made for casual gamers and that will cost Nintedo their audience for their next console.


So, we should look out, if Nintendo can convert Wii-owners to Wii-U-owners. That's something interesting to watch in the next year.



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Panama said:

Of course not. Anything that sells insanely well initially and then sells less than its two competitors for nearly 2 years straight, then sure i'd qualify it as a fad. I'm honestly surprised people are adamant that the Wii wasn't a fad when the PS3 and 360 hammer it sales every week now. People are aware the 360 is one year older than it right?


That's the point here. The Wii destroyed the competition early in the gen, but now is outselled by nearly the same percentage. You can say, that's because the successor is already on it's way, but that leaves the question: Why does NIntendo bring the successor so early, if they could have made money on the Wii otherwise?



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I'd say that if motion controls DON'T make it to the next gen, then Wii was a fad! But as it seems WiiU still supports motion controls, and I find it hard to believe that Kinect is going anywhere. The Wii started something new, which seems to be lasting well into the next gen - and that's not fad like.



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