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mjk45 on 28 April 2012
thranx said:
mjk45 said:
Since the majority still want a physical product at the moment


I do not think that is the case. I think the majority of consumers would base wether they want digital or retail based on price. Most consumers when presented with what would be almost two identical products will choose on price. Only collectors or someone who is going to resell their game will care about retail vs download. Just look at the sales of pc games. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/oliverchiang/2010/09/20/digital-vs-physical-pc-game-downloads-surpass-retail-unit-sales-by-3m-says-survey/)

That was PC gaming where places such as  steam  bundle a lot   of games for ten dollars or so , an example they had a prison sim that i decided  to buy when the price was right it came bundled with 1-4 in the series plus another 4 similar pc games suddenly I had 8 games for S10 most i never wanted, it is a reason that unit sales not Dollar value can be misleading , the other factor is the limited space and range given to PC gaming at retail ,like i said  at the moment the majority still go physical obviously this statement is tied to Consoles since the OP is about Ms policy in regard to new game dl , a medium that relies more on retail than PC who where basicaly abandoned by it and one that sells new games online at retail or in the case of the mass effect 3 DL on  psn Australian store S20 more than Australian retail .



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hunter_alien on 28 April 2012
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
Retail is simply more important early on.


Sales are sales. They will be tallied in.

If it was that simple it would be done by now. But alas it isnt 


It is, actually, the thing is MS is resisting something that is inevitable. I wonder why? There is no way in hell they wouldent make at least the same ammount or maybe even more if they would go DD from day1 :|



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AbbathTheGrim on 28 April 2012

What about the choice of downloading the title from day one. lol what asshole.



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BHR-3 on 28 April 2012
Nsanity said:

MCVUK

 

Games will not arrive on Xbox Live on the day they hit retail shelves any time soon, says Microsoft.

The computer giant has not been influenced by Sony’s push to launch titles on its online PSN platform the same day they arrive in stores in boxed form. Many PS3 titles – such as Mass Effect 3 – are released like this, while all Vita retail titles are available to download.

Instead, Microsoft will continue to release its Games on Demand titles around six months after they hit shelves. 

“It comes down to choice,” Xbox Live’s UK product manager Pav Bhardwaj told MCV. 

“The customer has the choice of going to retail on day one if they really want to buy a particular title, or to wait a couple of months and buy it full price from the Xbox Live marketplace. 

“It’s a successful part of our business, we’re very pleased with the growth and it continues to do really well. Clearly there’s an audience out there who are happy to purchase a product at full ERP six or so months after [its retail release].”

When asked if Microsoft would follow Sony’s lead and release new games at retail and in download form on day one, the platform holder emphasised the importance of retail.

“We don’t do Games on Demand on day one, we focus on boxed retail for day one,” added Bhardwaj. 

“That’s where our focus has always been and will remain that way for the foreseeable future. 

“We release a game roughly six months after it arrives at retail at full ERP. That’s our model and we’ll be sticking to that. 

“It’s a successful model, so why change something you don’t need to?”

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/microsoft-resists-simultaneous-digital-and-retail-xbox-360-releases/095084

 


sonys push hasnt really been a push last time i checked thers wasnt that many meaningful games on there, and its flawed as its the same price on PSN as it is in stores

if it came down to choice then you would give gamers the choice to buy or download on day one. . . lol

 

i personally would never buy a game digitally unless there no other way to get it, and i think instead of MS offering games day 1 on live sony should give us the option to fully install any game on are HDDs, b/c isnt that the reason that we have big 250 and 320GB HDDs this gen so that we can put are games on them?



                                                             

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fillet on 28 April 2012
MightyGrogg said:
This is probably so the publisher can get their profit on retail sales. The publisher is the one who pays for all retail packaging. So they want to see units fly of shelves. If people bought DD instead there would probably be less retail units sold. Publishers would rather have the game sold out at retail first before DD is incorporating into the process. For Sony, they publish more of their games themselves so it probably doesn't effect them as much. Most of the PSVita games released with published by Sony. I still would rather have a hard copy of the game. I can't see how gamers can pay full price ($60) for a DD copy of a game know you can never sell or trade it with a friend. If the game was 1/2 the price it probably wouldn't be as bad. Most games aren't even worth $60 to begin with.


What a load of rubbish.



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NightDragon83 on 28 April 2012

The only full DD games I've ever purchased are all on PC, where it makes sense (and they're usually cheaper than their console counterparts). DD on 360/PS3 to me just seems pointless for several reasons...

1: Unless you've purchased a more recent version of the consoles with a much bigger HDD than what they initially launched with, you're going to run out of storage room FAST. I've got a 120GB 360, and my HDD has been nearly 90% full for the past year now just from installs, and demos and other such content. I'd never be able to amass the library of games I have today if they were all DD.

2: Unlike the PC, game consoles are eventually discontinued. If I have disc copies of my games, I'll at least know I can always pop them in and play them as long as my console turns on. What if they were all DD, and my console breaks down? I'm screwed. I'd have to download all of them over again on a new console, and that's assuming M$ never changes their account info and services on XBL going forward into next gen (for example you can no longer play games online or download content through XBL for the original Xbox.)

3: The cost. As everyone knows, not only are DD games on XBL/PSN the same price as their retail counterparts, but they remain the same cost several months after the game's original release as well. It's a joke seeing full games pop up on XBL months after release at $59.99, when you can just get the physical copies much cheaper at retailers or on sites like Amazon by that time. And then of course there's no resale value whatsoever, so if you buy a game and blow through it, or decide it sucks and want to get some of your money back, you're screwed.

The trade-off here is that the biggest and most popular DD console games are the "Arcade" type games that retail for $5-$15 on average. You'll get a helluvalot more mileage and value spending $15 on a game like Trials or Gotham City Impostors, and they won't chew up all your HDD space either.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

homer on 28 April 2012

I thought Microsoft knew the trend software was following considering well...obvious reasons....but apparently they do not.



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thranx on 29 April 2012
mjk45 said:
thranx said:
mjk45 said:
Since the majority still want a physical product at the moment


I do not think that is the case. I think the majority of consumers would base wether they want digital or retail based on price. Most consumers when presented with what would be almost two identical products will choose on price. Only collectors or someone who is going to resell their game will care about retail vs download. Just look at the sales of pc games. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/oliverchiang/2010/09/20/digital-vs-physical-pc-game-downloads-surpass-retail-unit-sales-by-3m-says-survey/)

That was PC gaming where places such as  steam  bundle a lot   of games for ten dollars or so , an example they had a prison sim that i decided  to buy when the price was right it came bundled with 1-4 in the series plus another 4 similar pc games suddenly I had 8 games for S10 most i never wanted, it is a reason that unit sales not Dollar value can be misleading , the other factor is the limited space and range given to PC gaming at retail ,like i said  at the moment the majority still go physical obviously this statement is tied to Consoles since the OP is about Ms policy in regard to new game dl , a medium that relies more on retail than PC who where basicaly abandoned by it and one that sells new games online at retail or in the case of the mass effect 3 DL on  psn Australian store S20 more than Australian retail .

You said a majority wanted physical copies. All i said was that is not really the case. It is the price that matters. Price is more important than the medium.



mjk45 on 29 April 2012
thranx said:
mjk45 said:
thranx said:
mjk45 said:
Since the majority still want a physical product at the moment


I do not think that is the case. I think the majority of consumers would base wether they want digital or retail based on price. Most consumers when presented with what would be almost two identical products will choose on price. Only collectors or someone who is going to resell their game will care about retail vs download. Just look at the sales of pc games. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/oliverchiang/2010/09/20/digital-vs-physical-pc-game-downloads-surpass-retail-unit-sales-by-3m-says-survey/)

That was PC gaming where places such as  steam  bundle a lot   of games for ten dollars or so , an example they had a prison sim that i decided  to buy when the price was right it came bundled with 1-4 in the series plus another 4 similar pc games suddenly I had 8 games for S10 most i never wanted, it is a reason that unit sales not Dollar value can be misleading , the other factor is the limited space and range given to PC gaming at retail ,like i said  at the moment the majority still go physical obviously this statement is tied to Consoles since the OP is about Ms policy in regard to new game dl , a medium that relies more on retail than PC who where basicaly abandoned by it and one that sells new games online at retail or in the case of the mass effect 3 DL on  psn Australian store S20 more than Australian retail .

You said a majority wanted physical copies. All i said was that is not really the case. It is the price that matters. Price is more important than the medium.

AS I mentioned in the reply I was talking about consoles since that is what was discussed in the op and highlighted that I said at the moment in regard to physical sales , and then explained why your PC example is some what skewed  , also the availability as well pricing for console is not yet in favour of consumer across the board .



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Aj_habfan on 29 April 2012

Don't blame MS, blame the morons who are paying full price for the digital copy of a game 6 months later.

Doesn't 360 have an option to install the disc onto the hard drive anyway?