Yeah, because that's exactly the only way for terrorists to attack. There should be a line drawn into what should be humanly acceptable to do and what isn't and this crosses that line way too much.
To defeat the terrorists you shouldn't become them because it's in that exact moment that they have won. By doing these things you're just playing exactly into what they want. You want to defeat the terrorists? Good, bolster your information networks, your surveillance networks and work inside their own cells more extensively. Don't go around pretending that every citizen in your own country is exactly the same as the ones that want to attack you.
But hey, again, fuck common sense right?
Hey I never wanted TSA in the first place. But what's done is done, and this is how it needs to happen. I disagree myself, but this is our times now. Nothing can change it now. The knee-jerk reaction America had toward 9/11 has put us here and we've spent trillions doing this. If we don't do it right, and something gets through, we've basically wasted trillions, right?
The point is, you never know. If we start letting people know that we don't pat down kids or oldies, we may see a bomb.
I'd prefer news like this hits and terrorists know it's not going to work.
True, but all this crap wasn't necessary. This story somewhat reminds me of Monsters Inc.
On a more serious note, people have already used their children for stupid things like shop lifting and such. Won't be long before another stupid parent desides to use their child for an even bigger thing, terroism.
Yeah, because that's exactly the only way for terrorists to attack. There should be a line drawn into what should be humanly acceptable to do and what isn't and this crosses that line way too much.
To defeat the terrorists you shouldn't become them because it's in that exact moment that they have won. By doing these things you're just playing exactly into what they want. You want to defeat the terrorists? Good, bolster your information networks, your surveillance networks and work inside their own cells more extensively. Don't go around pretending that every citizen in your own country is exactly the same as the ones that want to attack you.
But hey, again, fuck common sense right?
Hey I never wanted TSA in the first place. But what's done is done, and this is how it needs to happen. I disagree myself, but this is our times now. Nothing can change it now. The knee-jerk reaction America had toward 9/11 has put us here and we've spent trillions doing this. If we don't do it right, and something gets through, we've basically wasted trillions, right?
Going by the "what's done is done" system is basically letting yourself go down in apathy. So you basically say that whatever system that any government puts in place just for the sake of some "cause" must stay in place just because they've already wasted money in it?
Oh well, I'd best leave it at that, because I just can't state how heavily I disagree with that state of mind.
Yeah, because that's exactly the only way for terrorists to attack. There should be a line drawn into what should be humanly acceptable to do and what isn't and this crosses that line way too much.
To defeat the terrorists you shouldn't become them because it's in that exact moment that they have won. By doing these things you're just playing exactly into what they want. You want to defeat the terrorists? Good, bolster your information networks, your surveillance networks and work inside their own cells more extensively. Don't go around pretending that every citizen in your own country is exactly the same as the ones that want to attack you.
But hey, again, fuck common sense right?
Hey I never wanted TSA in the first place. But what's done is done, and this is how it needs to happen. I disagree myself, but this is our times now. Nothing can change it now. The knee-jerk reaction America had toward 9/11 has put us here and we've spent trillions doing this. If we don't do it right, and something gets through, we've basically wasted trillions, right?
Going by the "what's done is done" system is basically letting yourself go down in apathy. So you basically say that whatever system that any government puts in place just for the sake of some "cause" must stay in place just because they've already wasted money in it?
Oh well, I'd best leave it at that, because I just can't state how heavily I disagree with that state of mind.
I know you disagree, and I don't like the system, but all you're doing is complaining, brother. Seriously, what are we supposed to do? Make a rule in which kids under 5 can't be searched? I don't know!
While traveling from New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport to Florida this week, Dina and her parents had to endure two separate screenings from TSA. Why two? Because after the agents had cleared Dina one time, they came back later to her gate and told her that wasn’t enough and she was forced to endure it a second time.
“They make our lives completely difficult,” her father, Dr. Joshua Frank, who is a pediatrician, told The Daily. “She’s not a threat to national security.”
The Daily explains the series of events:
With her crutches and orthotics, Dina cannot walk through metal detectors and instead is patted down by security agents. The girl, who is also developmentally disabled, is often frightened by the procedure, her father said.
Marcy Frank usually asks the agents to introduce themselves to her daughter, but those on duty on Monday were exceptionally aggressive, Joshua Frank said, and he began to videotape them with his iPhone.
“And the woman started screaming at me and cursing me and threatening me,” he said.
Eventually, a supervisor decided it was sufficient to inspect Dina’s crutches and allowed the family to leave for the gate.
They were there for an hour before the agents reappeared with a manager to tell them that proper protocol had not been followed, and that Dina had to be screened after all, the Franks said. After initially offering to pat her down at the gate, they insisted she return to the security area, Joshua Frank said.
“So then I got aggravated,” he said.
With Dina now in her wheelchair, Frank raced her across the JetBlue terminal, but by then, the family had missed its plane. The Franks caught a subsequent flight.
The story is a sour ending to recent string of good news. Recently, the CBS station in New York just so happened to profile Dina because of a medical breakthrough of sorts. By getting Botox injections in her legs, Dina has started to walk a bit without the aid of her wheelchair. She’s now started taking strolls around the neighborhood:
But now she’s being profiled again for a different reason. And it‘s something her family just can’t stand.
“They’re harassing people,” Joshua Frank told The Daily. “This is totally misguided policy. Yes, I understand that TSA is in charge of national security and there’s all these threats.”
“For her to be singled out, it’s crazy,” he added.
“They still attack her like she’s Osama bin Laden,” Dina’s mother, Marcy, said. “It’s not fair.”
Usually I'm against the airport security's way of handling things. In other threads I have talked about how ridiculously cold and deep questions they ask simply of tourists visiting the US. However honestly just sounds like the passenger over reacting and failing to parent their child. I'm sure the people knew they were dealing with a child. However if instead of saying suspect they say 'child' then it opens it up to other people complaining they were called a suspect instead of a descriptive term.
The pat down of the child was clearly not because of the child but the grown up. The child running back and hugging the grand parent meant it would be very easy for them to put something on the child (as the child had already been through security). To me it just sounds like an inattentive parent let their child run back through security (which obviously means they will have to go through procedures again), then let the child get worked up and start screaming.
A lot of the language is clearly written to try and be sensationalist and is comically so.
They 'forced' the child to be pat-down. Well it's an airport with security procedures. They 'forced' her in as much as it was required to get on the plane. It's like saying ''Oh I got on a train and they FORCED me to show a ticket''
''yelled at her' Well it sounds as though when the child ran away they 'yelled' at her to come back. Nothing odd about loudly telling a child to come back.
''called her an uncooperative suspect'' This implies they said it to the childs or parents face. They had to convey something on their radios and used the appropriate language.
''ordered by TSA to stop crying'' What does this even mean? I notice conveniently they decided not to quote this part. They could simply have said ''You need to stop crying and calm down'' and that would be an order.
To me it just seems like a comically sensationalist piece of news. It's very easy to make anything sound terrible if you want.
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Yeah, because that's exactly the only way for terrorists to attack. There should be a line drawn into what should be humanly acceptable to do and what isn't and this crosses that line way too much.
To defeat the terrorists you shouldn't become them because it's in that exact moment that they have won. By doing these things you're just playing exactly into what they want. You want to defeat the terrorists? Good, bolster your information networks, your surveillance networks and work inside their own cells more extensively. Don't go around pretending that every citizen in your own country is exactly the same as the ones that want to attack you.
But hey, again, fuck common sense right?
Hey I never wanted TSA in the first place. But what's done is done, and this is how it needs to happen. I disagree myself, but this is our times now. Nothing can change it now. The knee-jerk reaction America had toward 9/11 has put us here and we've spent trillions doing this. If we don't do it right, and something gets through, we've basically wasted trillions, right?
Going by the "what's done is done" system is basically letting yourself go down in apathy. So you basically say that whatever system that any government puts in place just for the sake of some "cause" must stay in place just because they've already wasted money in it?
Oh well, I'd best leave it at that, because I just can't state how heavily I disagree with that state of mind.
I know you disagree, and I don't like the system, but all you're doing is complaining, brother. Seriously, what are we supposed to do? Make a rule in which kids under 5 can't be searched? I don't know!
Oh i'm not complaining at all, and you know why? Because 99,9% of the places I travel to have the common sense to avoid these kind of things. If i'd live in the US then I would be complaining and doing something about it if it'd ever happened to me.
One more thing, you said this was a knee jerk reaction because of 9/11. Oddly, the US wasn't the only country affected by terrorist attacks, yet you didn't see these kind of knee jerk reactions neither in the UK nor in Spain. Could you imagine the public outcry if they implemented a TSA-like system that would patdown anyone by random everytime you had to take the subway on London or a train in Madrid? They'd never get away with it.
Yeah, because that's exactly the only way for terrorists to attack. There should be a line drawn into what should be humanly acceptable to do and what isn't and this crosses that line way too much.
To defeat the terrorists you shouldn't become them because it's in that exact moment that they have won. By doing these things you're just playing exactly into what they want. You want to defeat the terrorists? Good, bolster your information networks, your surveillance networks and work inside their own cells more extensively. Don't go around pretending that every citizen in your own country is exactly the same as the ones that want to attack you.
But hey, again, fuck common sense right?
Hey I never wanted TSA in the first place. But what's done is done, and this is how it needs to happen. I disagree myself, but this is our times now. Nothing can change it now. The knee-jerk reaction America had toward 9/11 has put us here and we've spent trillions doing this. If we don't do it right, and something gets through, we've basically wasted trillions, right?
Going by the "what's done is done" system is basically letting yourself go down in apathy. So you basically say that whatever system that any government puts in place just for the sake of some "cause" must stay in place just because they've already wasted money in it?
Oh well, I'd best leave it at that, because I just can't state how heavily I disagree with that state of mind.
I know you disagree, and I don't like the system, but all you're doing is complaining, brother. Seriously, what are we supposed to do? Make a rule in which kids under 5 can't be searched? I don't know!
Oh i'm not complaining at all, and you know why? Because 99,9% of the places I travel to have the common sense to avoid these kind of things. If i'd live in the US then I would be complaining and doing something about it if it'd ever happened to me.
One more thing, you said this was a knee jerk reaction because of 9/11. Oddly, the US wasn't the only country affected by terrorist attacks, yet you didn't see these kind of knee jerk reactions neither in the UK nor in Spain. Could you imagine the public outcry if they implemented a TSA-like system that would patdown anyone by random everytime you had to take the subway on London or a train in Madrid? They'd never get away with it.
yes, I know. I live here in America. And to be frank, we are a country of imbeciles. We had a knee jerk reaction because MURRICA, and ALIENS, and TERRORISTS, and BUSH. I wish it hadn't happened, but it did. I would do away with TSA in a heartbeat if I could becuase our knee jerk reaction fucking ruined our economy ON TOP OF the housing crisis.
theprof00 said: I don't understand what the big deal is. We all have to do it. Welcome to the 21st century where kids have been sent to kill soldiers strapped with bombs.
Didn't know that America was as equal as Afghanistan or Iraq. Never head a case in which a kid was done that on US soil, nor in any other country outside those, but hey, fuck common sense right?
The point is, you never know. If we start letting people know that we don't pat down kids or oldies, we may see a bomb.
I'd prefer news like this hits and terrorists know it's not going to work.
You never know. No system ever will prevent terrorism, crimes and other bad things from happen. Even in the socialist/communist countries (i was born in the GDR) existed crimes, the spying didn't prevent this.
But bullshit like the TSA-stuff is destroying the freedom of the people. The terrorists have already won in the US. They disliked the lifestyle of freedom, so they made a terrorist attack - and now the US-government is taking the freedom from the people.
So, you can NEVER prevent terrorism and many acts of controlling people are destroying freedom, so you have to make a weighting - in the case of the TSA the loss of freedom is much bigger than the win of security (if there is any).
And people claiming it is better here in Europe - we may not have TSA, but we have for instance telecommunications data retention. That's the same: nearly no impact on security, but much on the freedom.
As others pointed out: Israel handles the security in airports without something like TSA. And they have a much bigger terrorist threat.
