I'm not saying they are biased numbers. What i'm saying is who do you think will be more acurate, the company paid money to phone stores and ask how many they sold or the company that stands at the conveyour belt and counts how many have come of it?

Both have a level of error i.e the guy who works at the store might of got something wrong when relaying the info which is fed into an average projection for the other stores which makes the amounts counted a lot higher/lower overall. Where as the guy on the conveyour belt might be counting things that are defected and won't make it to retail etc.

But either way someone who creates their own product will have a better idea of how many were made. If demand from retailers is high then obviously they make more, if it is low then they make less. If retailers already have a lot of the product in stock they won't buy more, meaning again less of the product needing to be made meaning lower shipment numbers.

So even if Nintendo are right and let's say they are more in line with what vgc has then why would retailers continue to buy so many 360's if the previous quarter was as badly overshipped as people on here had thought? Buying them costs money, having them stored somewhere costs money. In a time when the games industry is in a bit of a financial rut and game retailers are closing why would they risk losing more money by buying stock they don't need or the consumer doesn't want? Logically you would have to say that wouldn't be right.

So i'm not saying Nintendo's numbers can't be trusted. What i'm saying is it is far easier to track your own product then someone elses.

Suppose MS lowered their price to retailers to buy in bulk?

Suppose MS has a price drop right around the corner that we don't know about?

Suppose there is a new SKU and MS is clearancing all their supply?

- It's 2nd to 3rd party. Publishers are LucasArts and Microsoft. Microsoft doesn't own the IP.
- CoD is a much bigger gaming franchise than Star Wars
- the bundle did not release during the holiday season
- it's a limited edition
- the Xbox 360 + Kinect bundle is not the best selling of their SKUs
- Star Wars Kinect has the highest opening of any Kinect game ever. Did they believe that SW:K sells 5 times as much (i.e. 2m first week) ?


What are you points when assuming that MS shipped 500k bundles ?

Suppose? <Walks into local MediaMarkt, and sees:>

1. XBox 250G 3 Games bundle: $169

2. XBox 4G Disney Kinect bundle: $229

3. XBox 250G Kinect Bundle: $249

4 XBox 250G 10 (Top-)Games bundle: $279

Holy shit, how are prices that low???

That's up to you if you think I'm "baiting". I didn't think two mere sentences would have such an intention. This thread was about Microsoft's earnings. There is no reason to bring in Sony to this discussion, don't you think? The insults are not non existent. Just go back and read the thread. There are a couple people here and there from what I saw. And not just this thread, it happens with almost every Microsoft or Sony thread. The intentions for my comment were not to bait, but to hopefully make people think twice before they post. I've been doing that too lately, where I write up a post and end up not posting it because there's no point. And if you're still mad at me, I don't think you read my response to you from before. I've already let it go, so should you.

That one time, I didn't intend to write so much. I looked back at that post and thought how stupid that was. A lot of people were responding to me at once, calling me naive and stupid, and I ended up responding to all of them in one post. So yeah, I'm not a fanboy, okay? I just like the option of free online, that's all. Glad I got that off my chest. I also saw that you recently got a ps3. I hope you are enjoying it! I may get a 360 when Halo 4 launches =P

Edit: I should have clarified my first post a bit. It should say "anyone bringing up Sony in the process is clearly a fanboy." That way it works both ways and maybe you wouldn't have misinterpreted my comment. my bad

Am I wrong? Give me a break... simple math here... just get the shipped number for the 31th March and compare with the VGC sales for the same period.

2011: 53.6m shipped / 52.8m sold = 800k on shelves (supply constrained confirmed by MS)
2010: 40.2m shipped / 39.1m sold = 1.1m on shelves
2009: 30.2m shipped / 28.9m sold = 1.3m on shelves
2008: 19.0m shipped / 17.6m sold = 1.4m on shelves
2007: 10.9m shipped / 9.4m sold = 1.5m on shelves

Face it!

1.4 million confirms the "OVERSHIP" in the last quarter of 2011 and the "UNDERTRACK" in VGC (~500k).

1.1 and 800k being the recent years, 1.4 and 1.5 being the peak of the gen. Ever since 07 it's gone down, you still persist these days 1.5m on shelves is normal though.

How does it? What exactly were you expecting from this Q had they not had such a high numbers last Q? 1.4m ties in with previous years, slightly lower given we're so late into the generation, and you can't cling onto the 2.7m last year because that was refilling the shelves.