Hyruken said:
pezus said:
Hyruken said:
pezus said:
Hyruken said:
Plus you have to laugh when people try to indicate Nintendo know more about Microsofts numbers then they do....
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No one is saying that...but, Nintendo are the only ones to reveal the nunbers
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No Nintendo are the ones to announce their own numbers and 'guesses' as to what the other companies numbers are based on their tracking.
All of them will have different ideas as to how their competitors are doing. I'm sure Sony and Microsoft could give the numbers they have for Nintendo if they wanted to. After all when they claim to be the top selling console for a month or year they have to have indication of the other numbers right? But if they did announce them it doesn't make them right. That was the point I was making. Because Nintendo mention the other consoles doesn't make their data for those devices reliable. Plus as others have mentioned the numbers they do release are only for a part of the market meaning if they cover say 90% of the market then what about the other 10%? The only reliable data they can give is on their own products because obviously they know how many they made and how many they sold to retailers (shipped).
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They have probably THE most reliable tracking firm, so if you can't trust their numbers, you can't trust anyone. Their numbers are clearly not biased either, otherwise they wouldn't show their horrible Wii numbers as of late.
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I'm not saying they are biased numbers. What i'm saying is who do you think will be more acurate, the company paid money to phone stores and ask how many they sold or the company that stands at the conveyour belt and counts how many have come of it?
Both have a level of error i.e the guy who works at the store might of got something wrong when relaying the info which is fed into an average projection for the other stores which makes the amounts counted a lot higher/lower overall. Where as the guy on the conveyour belt might be counting things that are defected and won't make it to retail etc.
But either way someone who creates their own product will have a better idea of how many were made. If demand from retailers is high then obviously they make more, if it is low then they make less. If retailers already have a lot of the product in stock they won't buy more, meaning again less of the product needing to be made meaning lower shipment numbers.
So even if Nintendo are right and let's say they are more in line with what vgc has then why would retailers continue to buy so many 360's if the previous quarter was as badly overshipped as people on here had thought? Buying them costs money, having them stored somewhere costs money. In a time when the games industry is in a bit of a financial rut and game retailers are closing why would they risk losing more money by buying stock they don't need or the consumer doesn't want? Logically you would have to say that wouldn't be right.
So i'm not saying Nintendo's numbers can't be trusted. What i'm saying is it is far easier to track your own product then someone elses.
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Suppose MS lowered their price to retailers to buy in bulk?
Suppose MS has a price drop right around the corner that we don't know about?
Suppose there is a new SKU and MS is clearancing all their supply?
