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Argh_College on 04 April 2012

3DS selling 2x MORE in Japan than Vita WorldWide.

Sony is in DEEP trouble.



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VicViper on 04 April 2012
spurgeonryan said:
VicViper said:
spurgeonryan said:
Pos Game Platform Year Genre Publisher North America Europe Japan Rest of World Global
1 Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days DS 2009 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.97 0.21 0.53 0.12 1.84
2 Kingdom Hearts Re:coded DS 2010 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.41 0.06 0.27 0.04 0.77

Well it is already almost past the Re:coded DS game in Japan, and 358/2 is only a few months in sales away. So what is the big deal?

 

Pos Game Platform Year Genre Publisher North America Europe Japan Rest of World Global
1 Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep PSP 2010 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.53 0.33 0.75 0.22 1.84
2 Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep - Final Mix PSP 2011 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.00 0.00 0.15 0.00 0.15

Now compared to the first version of Birth by sleep it could have a ways to go. So I agree here.

It won't cross those 358 days ever! Not without a Final Mix release... and even then it's hard! And that was considered just mediocre sales for the series.

It was a disappointment, no doubt about it.


I think word of mouth and time will push it past 358. In two years if it has not done so I will give you control of my sig either here or gamewise. Mark my words VicViper!  I see a 60 percent drop next week, and then it will hold at around 20,000 for a few months, before dropping off for a while. There will be discounts, multiple holidays, etc. 5 year system life cycle is a long time!

Still staying firm with what you say?

Yup, the only thing that would change my mind about this is if Square Enix undershipped it or something, but I don't think that was the case. When Dangeki numbers arrive with shipments, we'll know for sure how bomb or not this game was

That's what I think anyway, but what I hope is that scenario you described.



NoCtiS_NoX on 04 April 2012
spurgeonryan said:
Pos Game Platform Year Genre Publisher North America Europe Japan Rest of World Global
1 Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days DS 2009 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.97 0.21 0.53 0.12 1.84
2 Kingdom Hearts Re:coded DS 2010 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.41 0.06 0.27 0.04 0.77

Well it is already almost past the Re:coded DS game in Japan, and 358/2 is only a few months in sales away. So what is the big deal?

 

Pos Game Platform Year Genre Publisher North America Europe Japan Rest of World Global
1 Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep PSP 2010 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.53 0.33 0.75 0.22 1.84
2 Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep - Final Mix PSP 2011 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.00 0.00 0.15 0.00 0.15

Now compared to the first version of Birth by sleep it could have a ways to go. So I agree here.


I don't want to say this but in terms of production value 358/2 and Re:coded aren't comparable to KH 3D. It's more comparable to BBS. IMHO.



VicViper on 04 April 2012
NoCtiS_NoX said:
spurgeonryan said:
Pos Game Platform Year Genre Publisher North America Europe Japan Rest of World Global
1 Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days DS 2009 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.97 0.21 0.53 0.12 1.84
2 Kingdom Hearts Re:coded DS 2010 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.41 0.06 0.27 0.04 0.77

Well it is already almost past the Re:coded DS game in Japan, and 358/2 is only a few months in sales away. So what is the big deal?

 

Pos Game Platform Year Genre Publisher North America Europe Japan Rest of World Global
1 Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep PSP 2010 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.53 0.33 0.75 0.22 1.84
2 Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep - Final Mix PSP 2011 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.00 0.00 0.15 0.00 0.15

Now compared to the first version of Birth by sleep it could have a ways to go. So I agree here.


I don't want to say this but in terms of production value 358/2 and Re:coded aren't comparable to KH 3D. It's more comparable to BBS. IMHO.


You're right, but nobody would be crazy to expect BBS numbers for this game... just more than it did. I expected 350k FW.

The userbase is so dispersed with this series... maybe they notice that and keep the next one on 3DS... another change would kill even more sales, imo.



VicViper on 04 April 2012
RolStoppable said:
spurgeonryan said:
Argh_College said:
3DS selling 2x MORE in Japan than Vita WorldWide.

Sony is in DEEP trouble.

All the 3DS needed over there were a few games and it exploded. Why can't the same thing happen for the Vita? I would say that they need to do something, but not that they are in trouble. That is just my thought about the matter, and I really do not know much about the system other than playing it for an hour at gamestop (even pushed a kid away who was trying to take a peek) and thought it was a well made system.

J/K about the kid. :)

The 3DS had a 10,000 yen ($100) price cut in Japan. The 3DS also had three IPs in the pipeline that were guaranteed to move a million copies in Japan alone.

Sony can cut the price, but they will still lack the games. Right now they have zero million sellers in the pipeline with zero to be expected to be announced.

What this means is that Sony absolutely has to cut the price of the Vita this year, otherwise they won't be able to maintain a solid baseline that encourages support from developers. The Vita doesn't need to sell 50k units every week, but a minimum of 20k is desired.


Sony did a little price cut and added a 4GB card on 3G models for next week. A little bump is to be expected, but not that great, since they're probably just trying to get rid of undemanded 3G units.



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Nsanity on 04 April 2012

Those 3DS numbers are enormous!



mhsillen on 04 April 2012

Not trolling but 12k is bad. And I'm not sure what game will give vita a long term boost. What would that game be, Gran Turismo?
Price cut to 199.00 or 189.00 might provide short term boost but they need a game with long legs



NoCtiS_NoX on 04 April 2012
VicViper said:
NoCtiS_NoX said:


I don't want to say this but in terms of production value 358/2 and Re:coded aren't comparable to KH 3D. It's more comparable to BBS. IMHO.


You're right, but nobody would be crazy to expect BBS numbers for this game... just more than it did. I expected 350k FW.

The userbase is so dispersed with this series... maybe they notice that and keep the next one on 3DS... another change would kill even more sales, imo.

Ofcourse I know that. I am also expecting 300K+ FW and anything lower than that is a dissapointment but 2nd week is always an indicator for me so if the 2nd week is great then I won't call it disappointment.

2nd paragraph

Why not make it multi-plat?



VicViper on 04 April 2012
RolStoppable said:
spurgeonryan said:
Has any companies threatend to cut games on the vita yet? Like they threatened withthe 3DS in. The beginning. I hate phone posting.

If not then that is good news for them!

I actually think that a few 3DS games were not cancelled, but ended up becoming eshop games during all the uncertanty.

There were rumors about resources shifting from PSV to 3DS development a few weeks ago, but nothing substantial has been confirmed yet.

3DS retail games did not become eShop titles. eShop software sales are far lower than retail, so it would make no sense whatsoever to opt for the eShop.

What 3DS games were cancelled... just Assassin's Creed if I remember correctly.

Megaman Legends 3 cancelation had nothing to with hardware sales, I think. It just died withot Keiji Inafume



mootap on 04 April 2012

Kingdom Hearts is doing well:no surprise..cant wait for it to come here
..kid Icarus is also holding off well