What is considered a system seller here? I usually consider it software that bumps hardware for a noticeable time and actually hits the 1M sells, of course that's what I think.

not just the vita.

People who claim that GA is a system seller makes me laugh!! hahahahahahah.

GA is the best selling PSV title by quite some margin at present, including being #2 in Japan where the Vita has been out for a few months, not mere weeks. At this early stage it's a very reasonable conclusion that GA is helping to sell the PSV. Or in other words PSV would be selling even worse than it is now if GA didn't exist. Ergo GA is a system seller. But because we're talking PSV you've got to modify your understanding of what "system seller" means.

I kinda asked some of my more casual gaming friends if they'd knew what a "Vita" was, and a lot of them actually didn't know even know what this product was, lol. I had to explain to them that it was the PSP successor and it had already launched.

It's amazing how much in the span on 6-7 years Apple and Android devices have eaten away so much brand mindhshare.

In my world a sytem seller is a game that moves hardware, lots of hardware, not a game that has been benefiting from the lack of competition and still only manages to get inexpressive sales.

Monster Hunter was a system seller for a "dead" PSP. The same does not apply for GA.

But that's in my world.

Correction. Its a MAJORITY OPINION. And it is that that wins console wars.

Look at Vitas weekly sales. Open your eyes

A system seller would be any title that can be reasonably linked to people's reasoning for buying a system they do not already own. When a new game launches and a noticable or significant boost in console sales occurs it can arguably be as a result of the game launching and drawing in completly new customers to the console. Another way to identify a system seller are through surveys. Since Uncharted Golden Abyss is a launch title it is not possible to view a change in console sales and without survey results on hand, one has to resort to analyzing software to hardware ratios. While plenty of U:GA sales were a result of it being the showcase large budget title it is not unreasonable that its dedicated fan base purchased the Vita so they could purchase U:GA. An aftermath survey or a survey administered during the time of purchase could reveal to what extent the presence of U:GA had on consumers decision to buy a Vita. In order to determine potency, similiar surveys would have to be conducted among other big name titles or the increase in console sales during launch can be divided by the launch SW sales.

Admist the absence of more accurate data, potency can be gauged through industry acceptance and sales penetration. The next known "biggest" system seller for Vita would be Resistance: Burning Skies. When that title launches you can witness the strength of its system selling by viewing the increase in Vita sales for the region it launched in. If Vita sales are on a either a downward or upward trend: did the Vita continue that trend from the previous weeks? An unexpected increase in sales or decrease in the reduction of sales indicates the effective level to which the SW released had on system sales. I would asume that, based on sales, the Uncharted series has more fans than the Resistance series. So whatever effect R:BS has, U:GA can understandly be seen as having a greater effect of whatever that is.

Huh? PSP was never dead in the one market where MH is wildly popular: Japan. So, just because PSP was more or less dead everywhere else is irrelevant to MH.

It's relative, like most things in the real world. If a system is selling hundreds of thousands a week (like 3DS) then a system seller will push 10s of thousands of units per week. If a system is selling 10s of thousands of units per week then a system seller will push some thousands of units per week. A system seller is dependant on the general popularity of a device. Not many games are capable of causing an order of magnitude sustained increase in sales for a system. Even a MH4P on PSV in Japan wouldn't see PSV jump to PSP peak level sales. It's impossible to see any boosting effect from GA because it was a launch title. Arguably without GA PSVs launch week, esp in the west, could have been even worse than it actually was.

Ask yourself, would PSV have lower HW sales than it does today if GA didn't exist?

If yes => GA is a system seller

If no => GA is not a system seller

I think PSV sales would be lower than they are without GA. Ergo I think GA is a system seller.

Like I said, for PSV you've got to adjust your normal conception of what's a system seller. Not the principle, but the size of the effect.

Will MH (in Japan) be a much better system seller than GA? Yes, obvioulsy. But that does not prove GA didn't help sell a measurable proportion of systems.

Finally given the tie ration of GA to PSVs it's almost undeniable that GA was the reason many (but not all) of those people bought a PSV, and if GA was not yet out those people would not [perhaps yet] have bought a PSV.

Too early to doom Sony imo. PSP was a huge success in gaining market share in a territory that was monopolized by Nintendo. PS3 didn't have a "system seller" until MGS4 which was short lived yet the doom theories on that system would seem false.