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zero129 said:
VGKing said:
PakChiuCheng said:
I actually think this is a bad move for PS4.

Microsoft will force developers to create their multiplat games to be on par with the PS4 so the PS4's games graphics would be dumbed down to match Xbox Next's graphics.


Not really. What Microsoft demands is equal content, not equal graphics.
You can't really ask developers to not take advantage of a consoles power.....

Besides PS4 and 720 will both use AMD GPUs, they are only a generation apart. So the PS4 version of games wouldn't require too much effort to look better.

Please dont tell me you are buying into the "Generation" apart thing?? 6-7000 GFX cards are not a "Generation" apart.  Come on VGKing man, i thought you where smarter then that xD .


They ARE a generation apart. The 6xxx series is its own generation and the 7xxx is as well.
Graphics cards generations aren't as big a leap as console generations. 



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Pineapple said:
VGKing said:
Mummelmann said:

I still remember a few choice words from console gamers that made me laugh last night. "PC gaming is so complicated and its nothing but patches and fixes and internet stuff going wrong. Consoles are easy, you pop in the game and play."

Well, I was going to play Gran Turismo 5 on my PS3 last night, I hadn't played it for several months. Here's what happened step-by step;

 

Add to the list; unfinished games that don't work at all (Skyrim), lousy ports and crossplatform development, steep pricing, poor online, horribly long development times, cancelled projects left and right, shitty action games and ruining of entire genres to please adolescent kids, expensive games and accessories and an interface that wants to make your hair gray and you have yourself a merry time indeed.

If next generation goes anything like this one, I might actually do something I have never done before; sit the entire console generation out and stick to PC only.


Whose fault is that?

If I were you I'd at least keep up with PS3 firmware updates. If you hear there is a new one then turn your PS3 on and download it.

I still can't belive you haven't been on your PS3 since the PSN hack. Wow. You are blaming your PS3 for you not updating it.....

Yes console gaming has taken a lot of the bad parts of PC gaming such as patches and updates. We know. We don't need any more like upgradable grahphics cards..that would be hell.

Stick to your PC gaming. I have no idea why someone like you is on VGChartz since we don't track PC game sales very well. It is console focused site.


I don't really get why you're here either. Mostly every thread I see you post in, you insult people left and right and behave like a douche a load of the time.

 Seriously, what makes you think "Mummelman made a proper post from a different viewpoint, I'll just be a complete arse to him!". Mummelman is one of the best posters here, and I'd say you could learn quite a bit from him in how to behave.

How bloody hard is it exactly to talk with people in a polite and civil manner?

(I see the slight irony of this post being rather negatively loaded, but that's deliberate to make a point)


WTF? Every single post? 

.....Well considering many posts these days are borderline trolling(including Mummelmans post) I guess you're right.

There's no way to have a civilized conversation with someone who took a worst case scenario and stated it is as a common occurence. 



VGKing said:
Pineapple said:
VGKing said:
Mummelmann said:

I still remember a few choice words from console gamers that made me laugh last night. "PC gaming is so complicated and its nothing but patches and fixes and internet stuff going wrong. Consoles are easy, you pop in the game and play."

Well, I was going to play Gran Turismo 5 on my PS3 last night, I hadn't played it for several months. Here's what happened step-by step;

 

Add to the list; unfinished games that don't work at all (Skyrim), lousy ports and crossplatform development, steep pricing, poor online, horribly long development times, cancelled projects left and right, shitty action games and ruining of entire genres to please adolescent kids, expensive games and accessories and an interface that wants to make your hair gray and you have yourself a merry time indeed.

If next generation goes anything like this one, I might actually do something I have never done before; sit the entire console generation out and stick to PC only.


Whose fault is that?

If I were you I'd at least keep up with PS3 firmware updates. If you hear there is a new one then turn your PS3 on and download it.

I still can't belive you haven't been on your PS3 since the PSN hack. Wow. You are blaming your PS3 for you not updating it.....

Yes console gaming has taken a lot of the bad parts of PC gaming such as patches and updates. We know. We don't need any more like upgradable grahphics cards..that would be hell.

Stick to your PC gaming. I have no idea why someone like you is on VGChartz since we don't track PC game sales very well. It is console focused site.


I don't really get why you're here either. Mostly every thread I see you post in, you insult people left and right and behave like a douche a load of the time.

 Seriously, what makes you think "Mummelman made a proper post from a different viewpoint, I'll just be a complete arse to him!". Mummelman is one of the best posters here, and I'd say you could learn quite a bit from him in how to behave.

How bloody hard is it exactly to talk with people in a polite and civil manner?

(I see the slight irony of this post being rather negatively loaded, but that's deliberate to make a point)


WTF? Every single post?

.....Well considering many posts these days are borderline trolling(including Mummelmans post) I guess you're right.

There's no way to have a civilized conversation with someone who took a worst case scenario and stated it is as a common occurence.

Firstly, "mostly every thread you post in" is quite far from "every single post". You generally post a load of times in threads, and a few of those are insulting, rude posts.

Secondly, you're assuming the worst case scenario yourself. Mummelman really isn't trolling. He's 28 years old, and has posted over 8000 times in over 4 years. I've often disagreed with him, but I've yet to see him troll or anything of the sort.

In this specific scenario, I really can't see how you can accuse him of trolling. Nothing in his post is wrong, and he's explaining it as a rare scenario. It's merely a different viewpoint on something than you have, and that's not trolling.

 Finally, insulting people you think are trolling is still being an arse. It's even worse when you're seemingly incapable of distinguishing between someone making a post in a civilised way and trolling.



Mummelmann said:

I still remember a few choice words from console gamers that made me laugh last night. "PC gaming is so complicated and its nothing but patches and fixes and internet stuff going wrong. Consoles are easy, you pop in the game and play."

Well, I was going to play Gran Turismo 5 on my PS3 last night, I hadn't played it for several months. Here's what happened step-by step;

1: Start the game, it tells me of updates being required to start up. Fair enough, I'm used to that by now.

2: It actually starts downloading the updates, there are six of them and one of them is 1190MB... There are six updates... Six!

3: After about two hours the updates were downloaded and installed (I have a 25Mbit line so that's not an issue, PSN network seems awfully slow, my PC downloads and work go at about 3.1-3.2MB per second steadily).

4: Start the game; "Do you want to log into the PSN network?" Yes.

5: You can't you silly bitch, you need a system update.

6: FINE! Exit game, update system, new version found, downloading and installing.

7: 35 minutes later and its done.

8: Start the game. "Do you want to log into the PSN network?" Yes.

9: Too bad, your password is no longer valid after we fudged up the security last year. Go fix it.

10: Exit game, log onto PSN. "Enter new password." I do.

11: Confirm. You need to accept the terms of use again. Despite being the very same account and man. FINE DAMMIT! Accept!

12: You may now log in. Didn't I just log in when they made me sign the terms and showed me the login screen and I pressed "login"?!?!

13: No, log in again, it actually worked.

14: Start game and actually play.

15: Great times.

Add to the list; unfinished games that don't work at all (Skyrim), lousy ports and crossplatform development, steep pricing, poor online, horribly long development times, cancelled projects left and right, shitty action games and ruining of entire genres to please adolescent kids, expensive games and accessories and an interface that wants to make your hair gray and you have yourself a merry time indeed.

If next generation goes anything like this one, I might actually do something I have never done before; sit the entire console generation out and stick to PC only.

 

funny, reading this I almost got the impression you didn't realize you could have just played without patching (not online though)



Viper1 said:
walsufnir said:
Viper1 said:


Emulating PowerPC with an X86 chip is nasty.

eh... no :) look at dolphin-emu or apple's rosetta. *but* emulating the ps3 is absolutely no option - ppc + 6 ppu's to be emulated, also the graphics-chip. not to mention the whole system itself, reconstructing busses etc.

definitely not gonna happen.

Geez, if you want to talk about emulating the PowerPC 750 from 2001 then yes, it's not so difficult.  But we're looking a little more modern here.



  right - that is why i said "not gonna happen".



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Lafiel said:
Mummelmann said:

I still remember a few choice words from console gamers that made me laugh last night. "PC gaming is so complicated and its nothing but patches and fixes and internet stuff going wrong. Consoles are easy, you pop in the game and play."

Well, I was going to play Gran Turismo 5 on my PS3 last night, I hadn't played it for several months. Here's what happened step-by step;

1: Start the game, it tells me of updates being required to start up. Fair enough, I'm used to that by now.

2: It actually starts downloading the updates, there are six of them and one of them is 1190MB... There are six updates... Six!

3: After about two hours the updates were downloaded and installed (I have a 25Mbit line so that's not an issue, PSN network seems awfully slow, my PC downloads and work go at about 3.1-3.2MB per second steadily).

4: Start the game; "Do you want to log into the PSN network?" Yes.

5: You can't you silly bitch, you need a system update.

6: FINE! Exit game, update system, new version found, downloading and installing.

7: 35 minutes later and its done.

8: Start the game. "Do you want to log into the PSN network?" Yes.

9: Too bad, your password is no longer valid after we fudged up the security last year. Go fix it.

10: Exit game, log onto PSN. "Enter new password." I do.

11: Confirm. You need to accept the terms of use again. Despite being the very same account and man. FINE DAMMIT! Accept!

12: You may now log in. Didn't I just log in when they made me sign the terms and showed me the login screen and I pressed "login"?!?!

13: No, log in again, it actually worked.

14: Start game and actually play.

15: Great times.

Add to the list; unfinished games that don't work at all (Skyrim), lousy ports and crossplatform development, steep pricing, poor online, horribly long development times, cancelled projects left and right, shitty action games and ruining of entire genres to please adolescent kids, expensive games and accessories and an interface that wants to make your hair gray and you have yourself a merry time indeed.

If next generation goes anything like this one, I might actually do something I have never done before; sit the entire console generation out and stick to PC only.

 

funny, reading this I almost got the impression you didn't realize you could have just played without patching (not online though)


Wow, thats a lot of steps JUST to play a game.



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zero129 said:
VGKing said:
zero129 said:
VGKing said:
PakChiuCheng said:
I actually think this is a bad move for PS4.

Microsoft will force developers to create their multiplat games to be on par with the PS4 so the PS4's games graphics would be dumbed down to match Xbox Next's graphics.


Not really. What Microsoft demands is equal content, not equal graphics.
You can't really ask developers to not take advantage of a consoles power.....

Besides PS4 and 720 will both use AMD GPUs, they are only a generation apart. So the PS4 version of games wouldn't require too much effort to look better.

Please dont tell me you are buying into the "Generation" apart thing?? 6-7000 GFX cards are not a "Generation" apart.  Come on VGKing man, i thought you where smarter then that xD .


They ARE a generation apart. The 6xxx series is its own generation and the 7xxx is as well.
Graphics cards generations aren't as big a leap as console generations. 

With the way you are wording it, you make it sound like by having a 7xxx GPU  the PS4 GPU is going to be a generation ahard of the next xbox. What if the PS4 has a 7450 GPU, and the Nextbox has a 6850 GPU would you still think that GPU would be a generation ahard??, it might be newer but it sure is not a generation ahard.

He said graphics card generation.

Nowhere did he say the PS4 was going to be a console generation ahead.

Although if it was a 7450, it wouldn't actually be a graphics card generation ahead as it's not Graphics Core Next based. It's need to be 7750 or greater to be considerred a GPU generation ahead.



Viper1 said:

 

Scoobes said:

Are you talking about the console as a whole? PS3 released with a 380 Watt PSU:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_hardware

I know it did.  But that's not relevent to how much power the PS4 will operate under.  Just because you can include a 380 watt PSU does not mean it's OK to produce a console that consumes 350 watts of power. 

I will say it was rather odd of Sony to launch with a 380 watt PSU despite the console only consuming 180 watts because that's wasting efficiency.

Have you got a link for that 180 Watts? I'm a little shocked they'd bother with a 380 Watt PSU if it only needed 180.



Scoobes said:
Viper1 said:

 

Scoobes said:

Are you talking about the console as a whole? PS3 released with a 380 Watt PSU:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_hardware

I know it did.  But that's not relevent to how much power the PS4 will operate under.  Just because you can include a 380 watt PSU does not mean it's OK to produce a console that consumes 350 watts of power. 

I will say it was rather odd of Sony to launch with a 380 watt PSU despite the console only consuming 180 watts because that's wasting efficiency.

Have you got a link for that 180 Watts? I'm a little shocked they'd bother with a 380 Watt PSU if it only needed 180.

About half way down under Form and Power Consumption.   It states 170 to 200 watts but I've talked and with people in the industry and read others that state 180.  I'll find other links later if need be but I'm short on time right now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_hardware



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Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
Lafiel said:

funny, reading this I almost got the impression you didn't realize you could have just played without patching (not online though)


Wow, thats a lot of steps JUST to play a game.


as I said, he could have just selected "no" when asked to patch to play immediatly (or cancled the patching when he saw it was several GB)