As a non-TF fan I thought the first was decent, the second was trash, and the third was not very good but far better than 2.

If Michael Bay is only producing, and not directing, this might not be on him. Remember, the Transformers movies are produced by Steven Spielberg, but you don't see any of his influence. So, this new Ninja Turtles movie sounds like a train wreck, but this is possibly not Michael Bay's fault this time.

Very good point. I'm still surprised Spielberg signed on to Transformers- those are way more George Lucas type flicks. Big... dumb... fun?  Losing his edge perhaps. They are no E.T. or Raiders of the Lost Arc thats for sure.

maybe they're actually big foot, with alien armors that look like turtle shells.

who cares,the franchise has been dead for awhile.

1. Michael Bay, until now, has never been involved in a comic adaptation.

2. Christopher Nolan says hi.

On topic, who cares where the turtles originated from? It's an unimportant plot point. The movie is going to suck because Michael Bay is involved, not because the turtles are aliens.

Besides, what is Michael Bay even ruining here? Most of you have only seen the TMNT cartoon, which was complete and utter shit and absolutely nothing like the source material (a bastardization of Eastman/Laird's work, much like what people are complaining about with Bay in this thread). So if you don't even know the original story, why are you complaining about how Bay is ruining it? What percentage of you have even read the only decent turtle-related product, the comic book? 5%? 10%?