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famousringo said:
I don't see why the West gets a free pass here. There are plenty examples of Western developers who are entrenched in the old ways of thinking or straying from good game design. Seems a little ethnocentric to pick on the flaws in Japanese development.

It sure does. Actually, I would go so far as to say it sounds racist.



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KillerMan said:
Barozi said:
VGKing said:
Barozi said:

Nintendo is simply excluded because they managed to keep the quality. Same is true (to a slightly lesser extent) for Capcom. But then ?
Some very popular and critically acclaimed Japanese gaming series are dying in case of sales, quality or even both.

Pro Evolution Soccer
Final Fantasy
Kingdom Hearts
Tekken
Soul Calibur
Dragon Ball Z fighting games

Well you get the idea.

1)Pro Evolution Soccer - Competition from FIFA
2)Final Fantasy - True. But after more than a dozen Final Fantasy games, it was bound to get stale.
3)Kingdom Hearts - Disney + Final Fantasy. Many people dont even remember Mickey Mouse anymore.
4)Tekken - Too much competition in this genre. and with Capcom milking Street Fighter with super and ultimate editions, it damaged the whole genre.
5)Soul Calibur - Same thing as Tekken.
6)Dragon Ball Z fighting games - DBZ was over a long time ago. These games are being based on the same old story. People aren't going to keep buying the games when there are plenty of new anime they would rather see made into a game.

1) FIFA was always there and always big. PES lost sales and quality since PES 2008. FIFA gained sales and quality.
2) Sales of XIII are excellent, quality apparently for most not so much (excluding Boutros and myself), XIII-2 also failed sales wise. Versus is nowhere to be seen.
3) no true sequel. Handheld games which aren't bad and have decent sales, but don't quite reach KH and KH2
4) The sales of Tekken 6 aren't actually so bad, but the quality dropped quite a bit, plus it was a rather late arcade port.
5) Soul Calibur IV has great sales and is also quite a good game, but they dropped the ball with SCV. A sequel that no one needed.
6) Okay but why the drop in quality then ?

Even though there is competition among the fighters, they pretty much all have just as high sales as the fighters last gen. Doesn't stop them from being disappointments though.

Street Fighter IV got excelent scores though and as far as I know audience loved it also.

Obviously true that's why I excluded Capcom in the very first sentence. But you're right it seems like I said that all fighters were disappointments, which is not true. I was mostly talking about the ones that I've listed (SC, Tekken and DBZ).
Could be though that DoA is following. DoA4 was good just like SCIV was but I'm smelling a deja vu.



badgenome said:
Totally uncalled for. (Unless that guy was Kojima.)

Or Tak Fuji



Barozi said:
Zim said:
Barozi said:
trolling statement ? Yes
truth ? not quite but hardly false IMO


As a moderator on this site want to give some statements as to how stating ''your [all Japanese] games just suck'' is hardly false? Because I would say that is teetering on trolling, in fact you even state it is trolling then agree with it. 

For every single point you make about how all Japanese games now suck I will give you a Japanese game with over 80% on metacritic from the last few years. 

There are still VAST amounts of high quality games coming out of Japan. Both the Western and Japanese industry also put out a lot of rubbish. The only reason I have EVER seen given for all Japanese games sucking is quite simply that people have got used to the Western style of gritty style + Go here and press this and you will be awesome. When presented with something liek Vanquish which is highly stylized and where you are only going to be awesome after learning the game and getting good at it they simply think it sucks.

"hardly" because the main idea of his statement is (IMO) true and that is that Japanese games have declined in quality.
80% games are fine and all but when the previous games in a series have all managed to get 90% or more and the current gen version gets 80% I would definitely call it a quality decrease. Furthermore there is also a lack of quantity compared to last gen.
For the rest read my previous posts here.

So basically you didn't read the original post? His point wasn't ''Japanese games have declined in quality'' His point was to humiliate a poor guy who asked a question and that ALL Japanese games suck. 

There is a lack of quantity? The PSP and DS have been SWAMPED with vast amounts of amazing Japanese games. Also what do series that used to get 80 getting 90% have to do with it? So your argument is that a smalll amount of franchises from a small amount of developers have slightly decreased in quality and this means that all Japanes games suck? 

I was unaware that a small amount of franchises was the entire output of the Japanese gaming industry. I will have to write to Platinum games, Grasshopper etc and let them know that there games suck because they aren't a sequel to Final Fantasy. 



Turkish says and I'm allowed to quote that: Uncharted 3 and God Of War 3 look better than Unreal Engine 4 games will or the tech demo does. Also the Naughty Dog PS3 ENGINE PLAYS better than the UE4 ENGINE.

 

Followed by: Nintendo of America

Reggie is watching, he has told Iwata about this. Be ready for Japan attack.



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sethnintendo said:
Barozi said:

"hardly" because the main idea of his statement is (IMO) true and that is that Japanese games have declined in quality.
80% games are fine and all but when the previous games in a series have all managed to get 90% or more and the current gen version gets 80% I would definitely call it a quality decrease. Furthermore there is also a lack of quantity compared to last gen.
For the rest read my previous posts here.

If that is the case basing quality purely on sales then that would mean Microsoft released a high quality system while Sony released a problem plagued system.  However, that isn't the case because it was the price factor more than reliability or quality.  The 360 was a downgrade in quality over Microsoft's previous system while Sony vastly improved their system's quality over the PS1/2.  Sorry I had to take your idea and apply it to systems sold.

No idea what you're talking about. I clearly split quality and sales in every post I made.
I said some series have declined in sales, in quality or even both.



The real reason I believe that there is a sentiment that 'Japanese Games Suck' is because Japanese Developers aren't driving the direction of the industry anymore. I think the real problem is that while Video games have stayed popular with the generations that grew up on NES and SNES in America, in Japan adults do not spend as much time gaming as they have longer work days/weeks. Because of this, the average age of gamers has risen world wide, but not in Japan, so the Japanese market is out of sync with the rest of the world in some areas. Also, Japanese culture in general is more risk-adverse than American or European and with rising costs of development, many Japanese Companies have resorted to sticking to their classic franchises, some of which have become stale.

I personally own way more Japanese games than American/European/whatever else, but if you take Nintendo out of the picture than it is probably even. The fall of the JRPG has definitely helped this, as the JRPGs I would have bought just arent around anymore (though at least I have some upcoming purchases to make for Wii, yay!). I don't think the Japanese market is dead, just in need of a refresh of sorts, I am sure that as the older generation of developers gives rise to the new, we will see a resurgence from the Land of the Rising Sun.



archbrix said:

"Jonathan Blow, who also discussed the drawbacks of modern Japanese games, was “way more constructive” with his feedback."

See, constructive criticism is fine, but that's hardly what Fish demonstrated with his pathetic public response.  Of course the guy is entitled to his opinion, but obviously that's not what we have a problem with here.  What a prick.

There are always people who will offer criticism with civility, and other more base who will heap insensitive and uninsightful garbage.



Plezbo said:
Japanese games suck, pure and simple. See, a good game is CoD or Battlefield. Story doesnt matter any more, and thats the only thing the japanese are good at. That and tenticle penis. To be a good game, you need lots of 'splosions and online multiplayer. You see, Americans dont want to think when we play games, we just want to burn things, kill things, and yell at strangers over the interwebs.

Or we want weird indie games with SNES graphics so that we can tell our friends we are more hipster than they are.

Basically the Japanese can't make a good online shooter, so the entire country is finished, thats why jebus made that earthquake happened and the Nukular reactor sploded, cuz the japeneses arent making enough shooters.


LOL get outta here ...LOL

happydolphin said:
badgenome said:
Totally uncalled for. (Unless that guy was Kojima.)

Or Tak Fuji

Agreed. Tak Fujii >>>>>>>> Tak Fuji.