Other than Skyward Sword, just play them on your dolphin emulator in 1080p. Plus you'll see Xenoblade is just an all-round hideous game even in 1080p. Some of the character models are disgustingly low poly and would be deemed as inexcusable even as PS2 launch material. It's safe to say the Wii didn't hold it back in that regard, the devs got lazy and they got away with it. I don't think I saw a single critic give the graphics the bum rap that they deserved.

There is also a Gecko code to replace the waggle control scheme in DKCR with the B button. It works rather well. You guys should check it out if the controls are too much of a hindrance.

I can't say much for MHTri, but compared to Monster Hunter Freedom Unite's purely ad-hoc multiplayer, it can't be too bad.

I agree with one of your sentiments towards Galaxy 2 though. Felt like a horribly unnecessary sequel that I would have preferred to see on the 3DS as opposed to that horribly easy SML3D game. Perhaps even on the Wii U at launch. Galaxy 2 was still a great game though. Also I stress again, if your issues with certain Wii games are purely graphics related you should really try them out on Dolphin, Galaxy 2 looks gorgeous on it.

Your OP, whilst a reasonable argument, is flawed.

Because any game could be 'improved' if it had better graphics.

For example, is Ocarina Of Time 'flawed' because it's on inferior hardware? Are any current gen games worse off because they don't have graphics like those found on the PC? No.

If your arguments were valid, like Red Steel would have been improved without waggle controls, and TP was weaker on the Wii because of the waggle, then fine. But, as it stands, your argument is invalid, aside for MHTri (which FYI works just fine).

Your instigation of class warfare is simply disgusting.

All games mentioned were just fine in their presentation, only a one or two lacking in great general appeal, I'm looking at you Kirby.

Half of those games would have been worse on other consoles based on their standard controllers, with or without HD visuals. However, you can easily argue that all of them would be in some fashion 'better' on WiiU utilizing new controller or wiimote with HD upgrade.

I also find it interesting you can post a thread where you are obviously mocking a common trend that you have previously ridiculed, yet you get so much genuine dialogue. Well done sir.

Rol already covered the first bit for me so no need to go back over that.  As for Conduit, even when using Target Lock, the aiming is still free floating, it is not locked onto an enemy (regardless of the size of the bounding box).   As I told you twice already, all a target lock does it hold the camera in place so that your camera doesn't shift when you aim into the bounding box.   It helps with straffing.   It doesn't do a damn thing for auto aiming because you still have to aim correctly.  It doesn't snap your gun to the enemy position when pointed near it, it doesn't warp your bullet trajectory to your enemy, it doesn't give you 10 pixels of hit detection beyond the player model.  You can't just lock the target and shoot at the center of the screen.  Just watch your own video.    As this is to say nothing of the natural cursor bob and weave they add to a stationary gun or the massive recoil they add to Wii versions.  Also situations where rate of fire is lowerd on the Wii version to compensate for the greater accuracy.

Hi Rol!

Well ignoring your problems with the normal z-target style lock on... what about if games followed Goldeneyes example. The lock on in that doesn't stay locked onto the enemy, but onto where the enemy was, so if they move sideways or duck you have to adjust.

I'm too tired to look for the anagrams, somebody notify me when you find them.

Prime 3 was one of the games that proved that Motion Controls really could work. That game was friggin unbelievable. I really don't see it being better on another console save for better graphics, and honestly, I couldn't have cared less the game was so fun. Now, of course, I would LOVE to see what Retro could do on Wii U.

So, Rol, what would other platforms have provided to Prime 3's great Point and Shoot FPS experience? I prefered my Corruption experience to any other shooter I've played, even Black Ops. It was purely fun and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Yes graphics could be better, but it was not a must. With one of their main engineers gone after Prime 2, Retro still managed to do a fantastic job, great game. You don't say why it would've been better on other platforms other than that Retro could have outdone themselves on a certain level, but you don't say where. There was progress in controls and graphical detail (this to a lesser extent, but still).

Epic Yarn, more like Epic Yark! What a stupid moronic idea, bad theme, bad game. Could not be bettered on any platform except for graphics, since nothing else was going for it. Yes, in visual appeal, LBP kicks Epic yarn's arse. But Nintendo doesn't make games on other platforms, and since this could neither be made on a competing platform, neither was it interesting, it was just a waste and nothing else with no worthwhile improvement possible.

Skyward Sword. Though the WiiU will blow our minds with the HD Zelda Nintendo has in store, the fact remains that graphically speaking and from an art direction standpoint, the game is a gem. Other things (like flow, linearity and tasks) break the game a little compared to OoT or MM, but nothing that other consoles could have remedied.

For Tri, bad online I think is trollbait. I own Tri, let and watched my roomie play but have so many other games to play that I haven't tried the online yet. But I heard its online features were amazing, as well as free of course.

Donkey Kong returns could do everything it needed to do on the Wii. The fact that they injected waggle controls doesn't mean it couldn't have been set up otherwise, on the Wii. Great game. Don't own it, but got to land 3 at Walmart.

I play my Galaxy games on an SD TV and thoroughly enjoy them (well, Galaxy 1, and soon Galaxy 2 when I get it). Graphics should be pretty similar between the 1 & the 2. Amazing games with superb visuals, gameplay and music.

Never played Muramasa or XB Chronicles, but from what I can tell Muramasa is a very much loved niche game on the Wii.

XB Chronicles received much praise, and most of all I believe offers an experience that would have been reduced had too much effort been put on graphical detail. Rather, on the contrary, it would have been a waste on the HD consoles I believe. Oh, and that must be the ugliest screenshot of Xenoblade Chronicles I've seen this far.

Spurge, this is a Rol thread It's meant to confuse, so the fact that you are isn't surprising.

It's meant to be satirical, and pull on lose reasoning that might stem from his own anti-Nintendo bias (which he has ), or from fanboyish attitudes we see from fans of other parts of the land. His statements are halve-truths at best, so have fun and play with it, and watch for the landmines