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Seece said:
Mr Puggsly said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Marks said:


It just means I don't think homosexuality is natural and shouldn't be practiced by humans...but as I already said it's nobodies business who marries who. I'm kind of taking a Ron Paul stance on this. 

I agree its not natural in the sense its not what "God" intended. But neither is blowjobs, handjobs, or anything sex related that doesn't lead to procreation.

We are thrown into this world against are will and I say let people do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt anybody.


Oh, please... If there was a God then everything would be ending up just the way it's supposed to. Even some fucking animals (LOL) are gay, and they don't even have a free will. Did God make a mistake when creating these animals?

I put quotations on God so don't start an atheist argument with me.

I'm just saying by design gay sex wasn't probably was not intended. But frankly I don't care what people do as long as its consensual.

Why does the prostate gland stimulate orgasm then

Design flaw!

I notice I put a double negative in my sentence. Damn, that kills my argument.



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Mr Puggsly said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Marks said:


It just means I don't think homosexuality is natural and shouldn't be practiced by humans...but as I already said it's nobodies business who marries who. I'm kind of taking a Ron Paul stance on this. 

I agree its not natural in the sense its not what "God" intended. But neither is blowjobs, handjobs, or anything sex related that doesn't lead to procreation.

We are thrown into this world against are will and I say let people do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt anybody.


Oh, please... If there was a God then everything would be ending up just the way it's supposed to. Even some fucking animals (LOL) are gay, and they don't even have a free will. Did God make a mistake when creating these animals?

I put quotations on God so don't start an atheist argument with me.

I'm just saying by design gay sex wasn't probably was not intended. But frankly I don't care what people do as long as its consensual.

i posted it in the other thread and showed with that that i could easily say that this was exactly gods plan (if you believe in him)

i wrote there to someone:

"related to gay of the maternal side are more fertile did you know that? i could say maybe this does mean it's a plan from god to have more fertile woman? maybe guys related to lesbians are more fertile as well but i don't know about that... and do you know what this means as well? that, if a woman related to a gay is more fertile, that she isn't normal as well! she is more fertile like other woman because she is related to a gay so that isn't normal! i bet you would never say to your sister that it's not normal that she is so fertile because youruncle or so is gay, would you? no, you would say god was very good to her! i can't imagine you saying to your sister "you just got so many sweet babies because of our uncle"

scientist believe that this could mean the whole mankind will get more kids because of that than if we wouldn't have gay so the related to them wouldn't be as fertile as they are. gays means more kids on this planets crazy ha? wow and all those kids who are born because of that are totally unnatural even when they aren't gay then! maybe you are one of them?"

 

that was a study from 2004 in italy and if this is true it means that gayness on this planet helps humans to increase in population. and maybe the other creatures as well. maybe it would even help some creatures to stay alive on this planet.

and if you don't believe in god you would have to ask if darwin was wrong. with his logic only "things" which help creatures will stay and creatures will lose what they don't need. so if we believe in the evolutionary theory it makes no sense that there are still gay people on this planet if it doesn't help humans (which the italian study shows)

so i can look at it like i want i don't see that it's not natural taht some percent of creatures will be gay.

ok now we could talk about the appendix or so but gayness sould have never benn in creatures if it wouldn't make sense for them for anything.

 

and to say it's a lifestyle like using mask having sex is a joke right? to say to gay people that it's just their lifestyle to have sex with other gay people wtf?



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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

I guess I used the wrong word for it. My point was though that being gay is not always something you choose, so punishing people who got born in a different way than others would be just like hating on people for being born black or white or whatever.

 

You get my point.

Even if it is not something you have direct control over, discrimination against people who are gay is still substantially different from discrimination against someone for race ...

We live in a society where people are expected to have control over their sexual predilections, and to only express them in private consensual and legal settings. While a paedophile may argue he has not choice except to be attracted to children, or a rapist may argue he has no control over being compelled to violently assault women, we expect them to have control over these sexual urges and not to express them because there is no legal consensual way they can express these attractions. We expect people to demonstrate restraint in when they express their attractions and with whom they express them; after all we don't have a BSDM pride week, and we wouldn't claim that someone should discuss what it means to be a Furry to young children.

In many ways it is completely fair to discriminate against many homosexuals (as it would be to discriminate against many heterosexuals) because they seem to have no ability to show restraint is when, where and with whom they express their sexuality with.

Being black is not a private portion of your life which you have discression over where you express it, it is something that people know the moment they see you.



Mr Puggsly said:
HappySqurriel said:


Homosexuality is not a race ... There are significant differences between sexuality and race, and trying to make them equivalent is not reasonable.

Beyond that, while I'm fully willing to admit that people are attracted to what they're attracted to with almost no control over it, homosexuality is a lifestlye choice; much like heterosexuality, swinging, bondage, being a playboy, and countless other pursuits. A heterosexual marriage is a very particular kind of lifestyle choice which (for a long time) has received substantial benefits from the government, and the argument is that this is discriminatory against other lifestyle choices. The solution to this problem is not to open up the same benefits to a handful of significantly different lifestyle choices while still discriminating against everyone else.

Comparing homosexuality and heterosexuality  to swinging and bondage is ridiculous. You're comparing simple attraction to fucked up fetishes.


In what way is it ridiculous?

Most people feel that they have little control over what they want sexually regardless of whether they're very conventional or if they're into "fucked up fetishes" as you call them. Many of the sexual acts and lifestyle choices we completely accept today (in both heterosexual and homosexual couples) were considered "fucked up fetishes" a couple of generations ago. We accept the notion that people should not be discriminated against regardless of what they do in a private environment between consenting adults, it doesn't matter if you think it is fucked up or not.



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paul: "I am totally neutral on the cause of liberty when people want to be married and call it a marriage, it's none of my business"

"i personally think that married to one woman is what is natural and good for me ...but i dont believe that i should set examples... i dont believe in the use of force whether its economic or social...i dont want to force people to accept my values."

 

interviewer: "if you became president and you were asked directly 'do you personally approve, from a values perspective, gay marriage' what would you say?"

 

paul: "i would personally say 'to each his own and i approve it because thats the way they want to run their life and i respect their freedoms'"



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HappySqurriel said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

I guess I used the wrong word for it. My point was though that being gay is not always something you choose, so punishing people who got born in a different way than others would be just like hating on people for being born black or white or whatever.

 

You get my point.

Even if it is not something you have direct control over, discrimination against people who are gay is still substantially different from discrimination against someone for race ...

We live in a society where people are expected to have control over their sexual predilections, and to only express them in private consensual and legal settings. While a paedophile may argue he has not choice except to be attracted to children, or a rapist may argue he has no control over being compelled to violently assault women, we expect them to have control over these sexual urges and not to express them because there is no legal consensual way they can express these attractions. We expect people to demonstrate restraint in when they express their attractions and with whom they express them; after all we don't have a BSDM pride week, and we wouldn't claim that someone should discuss what it means to be a Furry to young children.

In many ways it is completely fair to discriminate against many homosexuals (as it would be to discriminate against many heterosexuals) because they seem to have no ability to show restraint is when, where and with whom they express their sexuality with.

Being black is not a private portion of your life which you have discression over where you express it, it is something that people know the moment they see you.

So it's okay to compare homosexuality with paedophilia and rapists but it's not okay to compare homosexuality with race? First of all there is a big difference between homosexuality and the circumstanes of paedophilia and the acts of sexual assualt.  You are close minded on many social issues. There is a difference between being homosexual and acting out what appears to be homosexual. Any straight person can do something homosexual and that is probably something they have control over. A homosexual man, however, does not have the resistance from loving someone of the same gender. Homosexuality is science backed and is constantly investigated. They are not out killing or abusing anyone! When one crosses that line that is when you can juxtapose these two!



 

        

Sigh, when is the medicial system step and get this man declared mentally incompetent and placed in institutional care like he deserves. People in the midst of an active psychotic episode should not be allowed in public, much less running for public office.



HappySqurriel said:
Mr Puggsly said:
HappySqurriel said:


Homosexuality is not a race ... There are significant differences between sexuality and race, and trying to make them equivalent is not reasonable.

Beyond that, while I'm fully willing to admit that people are attracted to what they're attracted to with almost no control over it, homosexuality is a lifestlye choice; much like heterosexuality, swinging, bondage, being a playboy, and countless other pursuits. A heterosexual marriage is a very particular kind of lifestyle choice which (for a long time) has received substantial benefits from the government, and the argument is that this is discriminatory against other lifestyle choices. The solution to this problem is not to open up the same benefits to a handful of significantly different lifestyle choices while still discriminating against everyone else.

Comparing homosexuality and heterosexuality  to swinging and bondage is ridiculous. You're comparing simple attraction to fucked up fetishes.


In what way is it ridiculous?

Most people feel that they have little control over what they want sexually regardless of whether they're very conventional or if they're into "fucked up fetishes" as you call them. Many of the sexual acts and lifestyle choices we completely accept today (in both heterosexual and homosexual couples) were considered "fucked up fetishes" a couple of generations ago. We accept the notion that people should not be discriminated against regardless of what they do in a private environment between consenting adults, it doesn't matter if you think it is fucked up or not.

I perceive homosexuality and heterosexuality as simple attraction. While bondage, swinging, and things like that are just wacky sexual acts.

Its like saying love and fisting are the same thing.

Understand?



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Is he actually relevant? The only things I ever really read about this guy are in memes. I guess I should watch real world news every once in a while. :/


He's #2 in delegate counts and has shot up in the polls as of late, being the "Anti-Romney" candidate.



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