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Khuutra said:

I have to admit I'm kind of disappointed nobody is talking about, like, strategies and gameplay and stuff. That's the part I've always found more interesting.

I played as an engineer, because it was such a weak class in the first game and I wanted a challenge in this one.

Holy shit. Engineers >>> Everything else. Most fights don't last more than fifteen seconds, including the bigger enemies.

Sal.Paradise said:

Ah ok, I see you haven't got to the full plot yet, I wont spoil that for you. Let me just say though, the description of the reapers from that holographic encounter with sovereign in ME1 (possibly my favourite scene in the whole franchise) is thrown out the window. 

Nonsense. The entirety of his speech there, as well as the Reaper you take down on Rannoch, are completely on point. They say their goals and motivations are beyond our understanding. They are completely correct.

Khuutra said:


Sorry, still not seeing the complaint. The effects you had on the galaxy will continue to be felt regardless of whether or not you had a text scroll epilogue.

I understand his point. The way they did it now basically boils down to "write your own damn ending." That's not particularly satisfying.

NotStan said:
Krogan support came at a high personal price to me.

I understand that there's a way to get it without having to pay that price. You will have had to pay a different price in the first game, though.



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noname2200 said:
Sal.Paradise said:

Ah ok, I see you haven't got to the full plot yet, I wont spoil that for you. Let me just say though, the description of the reapers from that holographic encounter with sovereign in ME1 (possibly my favourite scene in the whole franchise) is thrown out the window.

Nonsense. The entirety of his speech there, as well as the Reaper you take down on Rannoch, are completely on point. They say their goals and motivations are beyond our understanding. They are completely correct.

Have you finished the game? The Reaper's motivation is basically handed to you on a silver platter, it is not complex or beyond our comprehension, it is just silly. I wish they would have used the dark energy plot instead, or not give us any reason.



Rhonin the wizard said:
noname2200 said:
Sal.Paradise said:

Ah ok, I see you haven't got to the full plot yet, I wont spoil that for you. Let me just say though, the description of the reapers from that holographic encounter with sovereign in ME1 (possibly my favourite scene in the whole franchise) is thrown out the window.

Nonsense. The entirety of his speech there, as well as the Reaper you take down on Rannoch, are completely on point. They say their goals and motivations are beyond our understanding. They are completely correct.

Have you finished the game? The Reaper's motivation is basically handed to you on a silver platter, it is not complex or beyond our comprehension, it is just silly. I wish they would have used the dark energy plot instead, or not give us any reason.

I haven't beaten it, no, but I've known it for quite a while. Which is to my benefit, since it let me make my peace with it; I don't think I'll be as soured by the ending as most folks.

But mostly, my comment was just a tongue-in-cheek jab at how stupid the whole thing is.



noname2200 said:
Khuutra said:

I have to admit I'm kind of disappointed nobody is talking about, like, strategies and gameplay and stuff. That's the part I've always found more interesting.

I played as an engineer, because it was such a weak class in the first game and I wanted a challenge in this one.

Holy shit. Engineers >>> Everything else. Most fights don't last more than fifteen seconds, including the bigger enemies.

Sal.Paradise said:

Ah ok, I see you haven't got to the full plot yet, I wont spoil that for you. Let me just say though, the description of the reapers from that holographic encounter with sovereign in ME1 (possibly my favourite scene in the whole franchise) is thrown out the window. 

Nonsense. The entirety of his speech there, as well as the Reaper you take down on Rannoch, are completely on point. They say their goals and motivations are beyond our understanding. They are completely correct.



Sorry, still not seeing the complaint.  The effects you had on the galaxy will continue to be felt regardless of whether or not you had a text scroll epilogue.

I understand his point. The way they did it now basically boils down to "write your own damn ending." That's not particularly satisfying.

NotStan said:
Krogan support came at a high personal price to me.

I understand that there's a way to get it without having to pay that price. You will have had to pay a different price in the first game, though.

Khuutra said:

I don't think people completely understand what Sovereign said in the first one. He is clear when he says that he is the "Vanguard of Destruction", In other words, the Reapers will come and slaugther all organic life, not to save them, but to completely destroy them.

Now if you listen to Harbinger closely, he implies that he is trying to save organic life, in his own words "salvation through destruction". The Reaper in ME3 repeats the same thing. All of this is completely different from Sovereign's own speech.

Remember, the lead writer in ME1 was hinting at dark matter destroying all life in the galaxy, not some singularity invoving Al and organics. This is hinted several times, including Tali's recruitment mission in ME2 (dark matter was consuming the Sun near Haestrom) but there is no mention of this in ME3 at all.

I have read both leaked scripts of ME3. A lot of content was cut, including dialogue (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=booBmcFw_Lk I have no idea why this was cut down, it brings more emotion to the scene in general). Did you know that there were 4 different ways that Shepard managed to get to the beam in London (based on War assets) and we got the worst one of the bunch? 

The ending in ME3 does make ME1 insignificant in many ways. The biggest one is the fact that if the Guardian (kid) could open the Citadel at any time, why was Sovereign needed? He knew Sovereign was there to open the Mass Relay in the Citadel, so why didn't he do it? 

The biggest issues I have with the endings in ME3, by far is the Normandy scene. The Mass Relays allow instantaneous transit between locations, so why is Joker trying to outchase the beam when he should already be at the set destination anyways? Why is the Normandy using a Mass Relay in the first place? How in the hell did Garrus and Ashley (who were on Earth with me before the final dash to the conduit) manage to board the Normandy during all of this?



                                   

zzz didn't start me3 yet, ive been replaying me2 all week. i'm almost done with it, this time all of my squad members are living.

i hope the complaints about the ending and about the game arent that bad. i cant play to the game and i hope the story is great. what i want with the ending is i want it to be satisfieng, and i want to see what happens to my squad mates and to me depending on that ending.



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Something i've been finding funny about some folks on the internet is when-ever they don't understand something they often times shout plot hole. Admittedly M.E.3 has some of these, but reading basic posts about things related to the game that are clearly explained, and they're sill screaming plot hole. People did this with XIII-2 as well. I find this quite interesting.

One thing I definitely don't understand about the ending is how Tali/Liara made it back to the Normandy, and why was Joker using a relay. This I don't get.



I don't think the plot went from Great in ME1 to abysmal in ME3 like a lot are saying. The ending I think people are overreacting to like they do with a lot of games. I mean I have issues with the ending, but I generally have issues with the ending in most things.  I don't think the plot was that drastically different in quality than the first 3.

I like this game a lot, but not as much as the other two in most departments. There are some improvesments that I thought were neat. But there were a lot of niggling things that combined to bother me a fair amount. The level design bothered me more too, because it didn't seemed improved, which was my major issue I had with ME2.



yo_john117 said:
NotStan said:
yo_john117 said:
I just have one thing to say. The Widow/Infiltrator combo rapes all life in Multiplayer. It's going to get even more ridiculous once I unlock the Salarian Infiltrator with the Energy Drain power.

Quarian infilitrator VS Geth = absolute rape. Converting them against each other using the Sabotage is beyond awesome. I am yet to get Widow but I got the Mantis and Avenger to X, so using the sniper/assault rifle combo. Came very close to soloing wave 10 on gold once my whole team went down and got stomped.

Oh man I bet that is pretty ridiculous. I forget, can you use sabotage on AI enemies with shields? But I can't believe you did so with just the garbage Mantis and Avenger 0_o

When I was using the Mantis I would get an average of 15-25,000 points per finished game but with the widow I get 35-55,000 points per game just because that weapon is so dominant.

You'll be pissed :p, I got 85k score as infilitrator quarian. Friend engineer got 60k, a vanguard got about 40k and my other lowr level engineer got about 20k.

Cloak + headshots + random burst of sabotage, quick reload, rinse, repeat. A ton of xp lol.

Bear in mind that's with Mantis and Avenger.



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Khuutra said:
NotStan said:
yo_john117 said:
I just have one thing to say. The Widow/Infiltrator combo rapes all life in Multiplayer. It's going to get even more ridiculous once I unlock the Salarian Infiltrator with the Energy Drain power.

Quarian infilitrator VS Geth = absolute rape. Converting them against each other using the Sabotage is beyond awesome. I am yet to get Widow but I got the Mantis and Avenger to X, so using the sniper/assault rifle combo. Came very close to soloing wave 10 on gold once my whole team went down and got stomped.

Would you say survival in Gold is at least partially about upgrading your weapons? It definitely seems that way.

It does indeed, but also to my own personal grasp of FPS/TPS genre, I always seem to outperform everyone whenever I play, rolling around and quick sniping does generate a lot of kills, besides kind of a litle glitch, when you cloak - take a headshot at geth, and in that split second you can also fire off sabotage at the same time, super effective against primes. However after few sabotages they become immune to them. Shame.



Disconnect and self destruct, one bullet a time.

Khuutra said:
No longer as upset about the ending as I was before. I mean, it was disappointing, but the game itself was still great! It was just, just covered in greatness, head to foot.

I'm going to start my full-stop Renegade Insanity Infiltrator run-through soon, and try out some different, non-optimal choices. We'll see how it goes.


Seems we had similar reactions, from start to finish, pity I can't really do Renegade (Morality in games, even if I know it is a game).