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wfz said:
The values I hold are what I would think are just values we as a growing society should hold as we continue to live, work, and progress together.

I think it's more likely that these values were simply taken by those who wrote the Christian Bible, and started calling it "Christian Morals." But they're not. Many societies that don't even practice Christianity at all share almost all of the same morals we do (Like Japan). It's human.



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I think that it is entirely fair to say that the values we hold are (for the most part) Christian values, but it would be unfair to say that any of the values were unique to Christianity ...

While it can be debated whether the values are being observed by many christians, I think you would have difficulty picking values most western cultures are based on that could not be argued are a christian value.



wfz said:
The values I hold are what I would think are just values we as a growing society should hold as we continue to live, work, and progress together.

I think it's more likely that these values were simply taken by those who wrote the Christian Bible, and started calling it "Christian Morals." But they're not. Many societies that don't even practice Christianity at all share almost all of the same morals we do (Like Japan). It's human.

For a second there I thought you said Christian Bale and it almost broke my mood.

@usrevenge. If there were to be a messiah, don't you think the anti-messiah (the one messiah helps deliver from) would try to troll him? There being proto messiahs doesn't make the true messiah, be it Jesus or whoever, less true. If one can fall for such a trap, I'm not sure who's getting trolled in the end, fanatics or skeptics. Probably both.

Oh, don't worry if we don't see eye to eye, I don't get along with Christians either. Be boring y'all!



Western culture, and all culture really, holds the very basic values of not harming others. Don't kill, lie, cheat, steal. Simple.

However there are many Christian values that Western culture, certainly in America, that have gone largely ignored. Forgiveness, tolerance, not being judgemental, going out of your way to help others. Even well-known Christian metaphors are misused and many "Christians" would balk at the idea of actually following the Bible's instructions.

For example:

"Going the Extra Mile" too often is applied to work-related situations or personal relationships, where there's a clear benefit for the individual doing something. The story is of a man who is asked, by a stranger, to carry his stuff for a mile. Instead, the man carries it two miles, just to be a good person. There's nothing in it for him, at all. Today people won't even stop to help someone in real need, sometimes out of fear, sometimes out of contempt and a sense of self-importance.

"Turn the other cheek" - This instruction says that when somebody slaps one cheek, turn the other for them to slap as well. It's a level of forgiveness that almost nobody would rise to today.

"Good Samaritan" - The Samaritan in the story was not simply a man who stopped to help a stranger. He stopped to help a hated enemy. How many "Christian" men today look the other way when a person of Arab descent is harassed? How many say they deserve it? That kind of thinking goes against everything taught in the Bible.

For a country that holds Christian values, we sure pick and choose which ones we like.



Values unique to Christianity: never be ashamed of Christ. Believe that love is an absolute truth, and is defined by human attitudes. Love is patient, love is kind, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, love covers all, forgives all, love does not delight in evil but rejoices in the truth.

Go out into all nations preaching all that I have commanded you. And lo I will be with you always, even until the end of the ages.


 Now Jesus wanted to teach something to his disciples. He took a basin of water and wrapped a towel around his waist. Getting ready to wash their feet, he first approached Peter. When Peter saw this, he stood up and said, Lord, never shall you wash my feet. To this Jesus replied, if I do not wash your feet you have no part in me. After washing their feet he said, ' Now that I your Lord and teacher have washed your feet, now you must also wash one anothers' feet. No servant is greater than his master.'

There is no greater love than this, than to give up your life for your friends.

Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

But I tell you, whoever looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery in his heart.

Whoever calls his brother an idiot is guilty of murder.

You have heard that it was said, ‘An Eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also 

Let your Light shine before men, that they may see your good works and Praise your Father in heaven.

You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 

Do not resist an evil person. If anyone wants to sue your and take your shirt, give them your coat as well.
Mat 5 21-48.

Therefore, be perfect as my heavenly father is perfect. (good luck).

I send you as sheep amongst wolves, so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves.

This is my commandemnt, that you love one another, that your joy may be full. Your command is to do something and the goal is to be joyful, in case you were wondering.

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In the end, it's all relative. I believe in God, but as humans we have a conscience that upholds our morals. Like Winston Churchill said, "A man does what he must - in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers and pressures - and that is the basis of all human morality." You don't have to be a Christian to have good values.



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Christianity installed the values in western culture just like Islam values has in middle east and Hinduism has in India as examples. Old and New testament defined a lot of basic values in most of the world. But with more modern thinking and better understanding certain 'values' have been dismissed as redundant. Those which put blame on women or claimed eating certain meats is only allowed on a Tuesday or whatever have been lost while those which can be seen as common decency remain, don't lie, cheat, steal etc. These are not specifically Christian but it depends on how you like to say how they were installed in our societies.



Hmm, pie.

The Fury said:
Christianity installed the values in western culture just like Islam values has in middle east and Hinduism has in India as examples. Old and New testament defined a lot of basic values in most of the world. But with more modern thinking and better understanding certain 'values' have been dismissed as redundant. Those which put blame on women or claimed eating certain meats is only allowed on a Tuesday or whatever have been lost while those which can be seen as common decency remain, don't lie, cheat, steal etc. These are not specifically Christian but it depends on how you like to say how they were installed in our societies.


Those that you have listed as being seen as common decency predate Christianity in Western society. They existed in both Greek and Roman civilizations. They existed in ancient Judaism. Christianity adopted those messages from society rather than instilling them into societies.



Rath said:
The Fury said:
Christianity installed the values in western culture just like Islam values has in middle east and Hinduism has in India as examples. Old and New testament defined a lot of basic values in most of the world. But with more modern thinking and better understanding certain 'values' have been dismissed as redundant. Those which put blame on women or claimed eating certain meats is only allowed on a Tuesday or whatever have been lost while those which can be seen as common decency remain, don't lie, cheat, steal etc. These are not specifically Christian but it depends on how you like to say how they were installed in our societies.


Those that you have listed as being seen as common decency predate Christianity in Western society. They existed in both Greek and Roman civilizations. They existed in ancient Judaism. Christianity adopted those messages from society rather than instilling them into societies.

You are right and I understand that, which is why I wanted to point out the old testament. Christianity values are is Jewish in origin. Even if they existed before, many of societies values exist because of the wide spread nature of the dominant religion in the region. For most west society it was Christianity. 



Hmm, pie.

Christian values include: forgiveness; the equality of humanity under God; sharing with the poor, the widows, the orphans, the sick, and elderly; etc... The principals of modern Democracy are rooted in Christianity - there was democracy in classical antiquity, but it was class-based - and people were not granted equal rights.

Christianity was also a very liberal and revolutionary religion: The bringer of peace, Lord, son of God, Saviour, etc... are not titles unique to Christianity, but rather titles that were bestowed upon Jesus to put him on the same standing as the Roman Emperor. In the first century AD, if you asked someone about those titles in Latin or Greek, they would be the titles commonly attributed to Augustus. The difference being Augustus used violence, Jesus used peaceful tactics.

The first Christians were Hellenized Jews, living in the Roman Empire, who lived around the crossroads of the African trade (egypt was newly conquered) and the silk road passing from India (also newly secured) - so given that environment with the obvious flow of tradition. So essentially the first Christians were Jewish philosophers who were likely initiates in the mystery cults with influence from Buddhism and Zoroastrianism (Judaism already was heavily influenced by this faith, it's where Angels and Archangels, as well as monotheism, originated). The way I see Christianity is that it is an evolution of the greater Indo-European religion.

Also, followers of Liberal Christianity for a big part believe in religious pluralism: that there are cultural differences between religions, but also core similarities. Liberal Christians believe that the Bible is metaphorical, and that spiritual enlightenment is not exclusive to Christianity.



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