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cyberninja45 on 16 February 2012

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theprof00 on 16 February 2012
happydolphin said:
maverick40 said:

It ended quite well for the psp actually. It stole an incredible amount of market share from Nintendo, who previously had a monopoly on the handheld market.

You're forgetting that the attach ratio for the PSP was really low for a core handheld:

17 PlayStation Portable (PSP) 4.90 2.99 3.51 3.33 3.73

Odds are, the PSP wasn't all that used for gaming, but many used it for music, movies, and loading up emulators via homebrew.

The DS had numbers not as high as the Wii or HD twins, but it was a handheld that sold almost 2.5 times the number of PSPs, and many of those sold to casual users.

14 Nintendo DS (DS) 6.26 3.41 5.30 5.58 5.03

 

What I'm trying to say is, PSP hardware did well, but SW, apart from GTA, FF:CC and MH, didn't do so so crazy.

You're forgetting that's not his point. PSP took Nintendo Marketshare. Most successful non-nintendo handheld ever.

Sure let's applause nintendo again for being so successful, but let's stay on topic too.



happydolphin on 16 February 2012
maverick40 said:
sensebringer said:
maverick40 said:
Seriously guys, I have the vita and I played the 3ds. The 80 dollar difference between the consoles is totally justifiable. The 3ds isnt even in the same league when comes to presentation at all.

The Nintendo DS was not in the same league of the PSP and we all know how well that ended for the PSP.

It ended quite well for the psp actually. It stole an incredible amount of market share from Nintendo, who previously had a monopoly on the handheld market.

The thing the PSP did manage to take from the DS was more 3rd party AAA effort and core big-name games. With that, marketshare was yanked from under the DS' feet, but it wasn't really absorbed by the PSP in return, as SW sales would show. There are exceptions, but in general it's more 3rd party effort that was stolen than marketshare (when looking at it from a SW point of view).



happydolphin on 16 February 2012
RolStoppable said:
happydolphin said:
maverick40 said:

It ended quite well for the psp actually. It stole an incredible amount of market share from Nintendo, who previously had a monopoly on the handheld market.

The thing the PSP did manage to take from the DS was more 3rd party AAA effort and core big-name games. With that, marketshare was yanked from under the DS' feet, but it wasn't really absorbed by the PSP in return, as SW sales would show. There are exceptions, but in general it's more 3rd party effort that was stolen than marketshare (when looking at it from a SW point of view).

Wrong. The DS couldn't run this games due to its lack of processing power, so the PSP took those development dollars from some other platform. That would be the PS3, the supposed successor of the PS2. The PSP cannibalized the PS3 in Japan.

Funny, cause now those games are being released on the 3DS.

I didn't realize you needed to have the best processing power to have the best games, I thought you only needed the best market share.

Oddly enough though, for certain titles that do need good graphics, the 3DS now has the power to run them too. So is the 3DS cannibalizing the PS3? or the PSP? Then is the 3DS now stealing Sony marketshare? (this is rhetorical)



theprof00 on 16 February 2012
RolStoppable said:
happydolphin said:

Funny, cause now those games are being released on the 3DS.

I didn't realize you needed to have the best processing power to have the best games, I thought you only needed the best market share.

Oddly enough though, for certain titles that do need good graphics, the 3DS now has the power to run them too. So is the 3DS cannibalizing the PS3? or the PSP? Then is the 3DS now stealing Sony marketshare? (this is rhetorical)

Yes, it means exactly that. Nintendo is in the process of absorbing a significant slice of Sony's market. The DS couldn't, but the 3DS can.

moving upstream.

Funny how things I say about disruption come true.



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Zlejedi on 16 February 2012
Nem said:
theprof00 said:
If this has to do with the install base, it wouldnt make any sense to do this right before release in other markets.

Perhaps its japan only devs? Or perhaps there is some physical force causing this. Otherwise, the other problem is that3ds has more software and more competition. It has more exposure, but working on a brand new system is generally preferred from what i hear regarding app development.


Yeah, i believe this refers to japanese developers.

You have to understand that 3rd parties want to make money and doesnt fall onto them to support the hardware to increase sales. Nintendo did something about the 3DS, Sony has to do something about the Vita themselves.

....

From a 3rd party point of view, whose purpose is to survive/make a profit. The 3DS is the logical choice. Furthermore, i think that due to the fact that the 3DS is reaching foreign markets aswell, its a much better venue to port old PSP titles that never sold much in the west due to the PSP's failure.

I'm pretty sure theres good money to be made just porting things like FF7CC, FFtype zero, Kingdom Hearts BBS, FFT, Y's, etc, aswell as Gamecube and Playstation 2 games....

If they want money abandoning PSV is stupid move.

Sony ecosystem is much friendlier than Nintendo for bringing niche small titles overseas - not only it is region free but with huge push for digital sales you can release titles only digitally reducing costs and you mantain presence of your games on the market for years without reprints.

Instead they choose to crowd on Nintendo platform squished beetwen Nintendo own titles and 3rd party super sellers like MH or RE



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Dr.Grass on 16 February 2012
thekitchensink said:
Dr.Grass said:
thekitchensink said:
I'm not going to give this article any real consideration because there is no name behind the source, but you have to admit it would be hilarious if the tables were turned in the eighth generation and developers started 'flocking to' Nintendo and dropping support for the competition.
Not that I want anyone to lose support, but it would be sooo ironic XD


I'm sorry but that's just not a very well thought out statement coming from a writer.

I mean;

Firstly, the DS was way more popular than PSP and was submerged in support. "...if the tables were turned...". Oh come on.

Secondly, your statement "eighth generation" along with the context of that whole paragraph implies that this has something to do with home consoles - which it hasn't.

Thirdly, (and this is as much aimed for the article as anything else) there were TONS of games listed as in development for the Vita. I'm not sure fo the exact numbers, but perhaps even more than for the 3DS.

Fourthly, "...dropping support for the competition", (a subsidiary to point 2) are you talking about portable consoles!? Because if so you might as well put 'Sony' there instead of 'competition'. There is no other dedicated handheld device. If you were to argue: IPAD, then I would say well the dev support is increasing for iOs platforms.

So no, it wouldn't be "sooo ironic" if devs dump the PSVita completely and focus only on 3DS (taking the protagonist stance here for a moment). Who ever (EVER) stated that the PSVita would beat the 3DS in any way shape or form? Well, maybe a few fanboys on the internet, but these people you are basing your irony on are a smaller percentage than the percentage of people that believe the earth is 5000 years old.


Oh, come on, mate.  Take a joke ;)


I'm trying.



theprof00 on 16 February 2012
Dr.Grass said:
thekitchensink said:
Dr.Grass said:
thekitchensink said:
I'm not going to give this article any real consideration because there is no name behind the source, but you have to admit it would be hilarious if the tables were turned in the eighth generation and developers started 'flocking to' Nintendo and dropping support for the competition.
Not that I want anyone to lose support, but it would be sooo ironic XD


I'm sorry but that's just not a very well thought out statement coming from a writer.

I mean;

Firstly, the DS was way more popular than PSP and was submerged in support. "...if the tables were turned...". Oh come on.

Secondly, your statement "eighth generation" along with the context of that whole paragraph implies that this has something to do with home consoles - which it hasn't.

Thirdly, (and this is as much aimed for the article as anything else) there were TONS of games listed as in development for the Vita. I'm not sure fo the exact numbers, but perhaps even more than for the 3DS.

Fourthly, "...dropping support for the competition", (a subsidiary to point 2) are you talking about portable consoles!? Because if so you might as well put 'Sony' there instead of 'competition'. There is no other dedicated handheld device. If you were to argue: IPAD, then I would say well the dev support is increasing for iOs platforms.

So no, it wouldn't be "sooo ironic" if devs dump the PSVita completely and focus only on 3DS (taking the protagonist stance here for a moment). Who ever (EVER) stated that the PSVita would beat the 3DS in any way shape or form? Well, maybe a few fanboys on the internet, but these people you are basing your irony on are a smaller percentage than the percentage of people that believe the earth is 5000 years old.


Oh, come on, mate.  Take a joke ;)


I'm trying.

I thought your post was well said Grass.

But kitchen sink was just joking.



goldeneye0074eva2222 on 16 February 2012

I very highly doubt Vita will do any better then psp did in the west.

your crazy if you think vita has any chance of out selling Nintendo 3ds . . theres plenty of doubt going on in the gamespot forums , and they all point to the truth . no one wants to play call of duty modern warfare 3 or uncharted on a handheld if they can get a better version on A cheaper alternative(ps3) they will so do it just like psp before if this is all vita can offer then it's a safe bet that it will be like psp in the west and pick up steam in japan at a later time

 

 

and psp had third party support? no more like it got ports and more ports .  the nintendo ds had more third party support then psp just look at how many games came out for it vs  psp .   the strongest titles psp has is=gta and those were quickly ported to ps2 .   and driver 76   .   also starwars games and sports games . but ds had got goldeneye/ other 007 games vita only haD 1 007 TITLE IN ITS ENTIRE RUN ---FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE DS HAD 4 -GOLDENEYE rogue agent quantum of solace blood stone and goldeneye not to mention the sims series call of duty -again no one wanted the later so .. 

 

you can only imagine what it will do on vita-no different

 



NintendoPie on 16 February 2012
goldeneye0074eva2222 said:
I very highly doubt Vita will do any better then psp did in the west.

your crazy if you think vita has any chance of out selling Nintendo 3ds . . theres plenty of doubt going on in the gamespot forums , and they all point to the truth . no one wants to play call of duty modern warfare 3 or uncharted on a handheld if they can get a better version on A cheaper alternative(ps3) they will so do it just like psp before if this is all vita can offer then it's a safe bet that it will be like psp in the west and pick up steam in japan at a later time

It also doesn't help that barely anyone in the U.S.A. knows what a VITA is.