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happydolphin on 05 February 2012
Mmmfishtacos said:
happydolphin said:

archbrix said:

 much less demanding task than streaming an entire game and its full graphics for simultaneous viewing and interactivity on both the TV and the handheld screen, which WiiU is designed to do.

 

Couldn't have said it better myself. Bold reads particularly well.

Well, on the other hand, Vita has its own processers and the ability to load the game to its own system the only thing to do from that point is the run the two systems in tandem and a lot less information is required to be passed back and forth.

That's a good point. See, you can contribute when you want to! ;)
EDIT: Mote on the topic -> http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=139601&page=1



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archbrix on 05 February 2012
Mmmfishtacos said:
happydolphin said:
archbrix said:

That was a remote play feature (it worked with GT too, if I'm not mistaken).  The fact that it was dropped from the final game could be an indication that the streaming feature didn't work as they had hoped.  Additionally, streaming data to the PSP or Vita to support an alternate view is likely a much less demanding task than streaming an entire game and its full graphics for simultaneous viewing and interactivity on both the TV and the handheld screen, which WiiU is designed to do.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Bold reads particularly well.

Well, on the other hand, Vita has its own processers and the ability to load the game to its own system the only thing to do from that point is the run the two systems in tandem and a lot less information is required to be passed back and forth.

The question isn't whether the Vita could accept the information, as you could transfer a PS3 game to even the PSP, but it was then no longer running on the TV anymore.  It was an "either, or" situation.  The question is whether the PS3 would be capable of sustaining the game in its entirety while it runs on the Vita, also in its entirety.

Examples:  if the Vita were the exact same thing as a PS3 and was capable of receiving the code, then I'm sure it could be done, even with only the PS3 running the game.  Or if the PS3 and Vita each had a copy of a specific game running, then they'd be able to interact as well, no problem.  Or if the game was something relatively simple and not very graphic intensive, I'm sure it could be displayed on both in that situation, too.

Where I am skeptical is, say, running Uncharted 3 on the PS3 (and TV) while the Vita has the full game running on it simultaneously (and have the ability for them to interact instantaneously).  This is likely why Nintendo took so long to confirm that two tablet controllers could be supported with WiiU, as it takes a lot of power (and possibly intended design) to stream something like Zelda HD in its entirety to two independent screens while still running on the TV as well.

My point being that the WiiU's ability to stream with this kind of performance may not be able to be done on the PS3/Vita, despite the fact that the Vita is a far more capable device on its own than a WiiU controller is.  Only time will tell, though.



happydolphin on 05 February 2012
archbrix said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
happydolphin said:
archbrix said:

That was a remote play feature (it worked with GT too, if I'm not mistaken).  The fact that it was dropped from the final game could be an indication that the streaming feature didn't work as they had hoped.  Additionally, streaming data to the PSP or Vita to support an alternate view is likely a much less demanding task than streaming an entire game and its full graphics for simultaneous viewing and interactivity on both the TV and the handheld screen, which WiiU is designed to do.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Bold reads particularly well.

Well, on the other hand, Vita has its own processers and the ability to load the game to its own system the only thing to do from that point is the run the two systems in tandem and a lot less information is required to be passed back and forth.

My point being that the WiiU's ability to stream with this kind of performance may not be able to be done on the PS3/Vita, despite the fact that the Vita is a far more capable device on its own than a WiiU controller is.  Only time will tell, though.

Ah, there it is. It's the fact that you're getting Wii U graphics on the tablet, not a PS3/4 to Vita discrepancy à la GC to GBA.



MARCUSDJACKSON on 05 February 2012

the title is still wrong, and i'm from the Sony and Ninty camps. what happened in your last thread is what i prevented when i made this same thread late last yr.

in order to copy something, wouldn't it have to exist first? yes it would! neither Ninty or Sony made it known they were making these products and i'm sure neither company are looking over each others shoulders to copy one another.

if you'd read why Torililan locked your thread you'd know why this one may get locked as well, or at the least a mod will spare you and change the title for you.

your thread title is simply false no matter how you spin it. again neither Sony or Ninty new each other were making the product in question.



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archbrix on 05 February 2012
happydolphin said:
archbrix said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
happydolphin said:
archbrix said:

That was a remote play feature (it worked with GT too, if I'm not mistaken).  The fact that it was dropped from the final game could be an indication that the streaming feature didn't work as they had hoped.  Additionally, streaming data to the PSP or Vita to support an alternate view is likely a much less demanding task than streaming an entire game and its full graphics for simultaneous viewing and interactivity on both the TV and the handheld screen, which WiiU is designed to do.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Bold reads particularly well.

Well, on the other hand, Vita has its own processers and the ability to load the game to its own system the only thing to do from that point is the run the two systems in tandem and a lot less information is required to be passed back and forth.

My point being that the WiiU's ability to stream with this kind of performance may not be able to be done on the PS3/Vita, despite the fact that the Vita is a far more capable device on its own than a WiiU controller is.  Only time will tell, though.

Ah, there it is. It's the fact that you're getting Wii U graphics on the tablet, not a PS3/4 to Vita discrepancy à la GC to GBA.

Exactly.  



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Mmmfishtacos on 05 February 2012
archbrix said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
happydolphin said:
archbrix said:

That was a remote play feature (it worked with GT too, if I'm not mistaken).  The fact that it was dropped from the final game could be an indication that the streaming feature didn't work as they had hoped.  Additionally, streaming data to the PSP or Vita to support an alternate view is likely a much less demanding task than streaming an entire game and its full graphics for simultaneous viewing and interactivity on both the TV and the handheld screen, which WiiU is designed to do.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Bold reads particularly well.

Well, on the other hand, Vita has its own processers and the ability to load the game to its own system the only thing to do from that point is the run the two systems in tandem and a lot less information is required to be passed back and forth.

The question isn't whether the Vita could accept the information, as you could transfer a PS3 game to even the PSP, but it was then no longer running on the TV anymore.  It was an "either, or" situation.  The question is whether the PS3 would be capable of sustaining the game in its entirety while it runs on the Vita, also in its entirety.

Examples:  if the Vita were the exact same thing as a PS3 and was capable of receiving the code, then I'm sure it could be done, even with only the PS3 running the game.  Or if the PS3 and Vita each had a copy of a specific game running, then they'd be able to interact as well, no problem.  Or if the game was something relatively simple and not very graphic intensive, I'm sure it could be displayed on both in that situation, too.

Where I am skeptical is, say, running Uncharted 3 on the PS3 (and TV) while the Vita has the full game running on it simultaneously (and have the ability for them to interact instantaneously).  This is likely why Nintendo took so long to confirm that two tablet controllers could be supported with WiiU, as it takes a lot of power (and possibly intended design) to stream something like Zelda HD in its entirety to two independent screens while still running on the TV as well.

My point being that the WiiU's ability to stream with this kind of performance may not be able to be done on the PS3/Vita, despite the fact that the Vita is a far more capable device on its own than a WiiU controller is.  Only time will tell, though.


Well look at it this way, GT5 Supports 3 monotrs, running 3 playstation 3's in tandom, one being the server. showing 3 diffent views, So yes, it's very possible for the vita and ps3 to do this. Beside, sony already said they could.



happydolphin on 05 February 2012
Mmmfishtacos said:
archbrix said:

My point being that the WiiU's ability to stream with this kind of performance may not be able to be done on the PS3/Vita, despite the fact that the Vita is a far more capable device on its own than a WiiU controller is.  Only time will tell, though.


Well look at it this way, GT5 Supports 3 monotrs, running 3 playstation 3's in tandom, one being the server. showing 3 diffent views, So yes, it's very possible for the vita and ps3 to do this. Beside, sony already said they could.

Yup, you're right. You'll need 3 Playstation 3s and 1 if not 4 Vitas. Good idea tho, sounds just about market... feasible.



JayLam on 05 February 2012

havent read the op and link
but the title of this thread tickled me pink...



Mmmfishtacos on 05 February 2012
happydolphin said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
archbrix said:

My point being that the WiiU's ability to stream with this kind of performance may not be able to be done on the PS3/Vita, despite the fact that the Vita is a far more capable device on its own than a WiiU controller is.  Only time will tell, though.


Well look at it this way, GT5 Supports 3 monotrs, running 3 playstation 3's in tandom, one being the server. showing 3 diffent views, So yes, it's very possible for the vita and ps3 to do this. Beside, sony already said they could.

Yup, you're right. You'll need 3 Playstation 3s and 1 if not 4 Vitas. Good idea tho, sounds just about market feasible. 

I'm not sure you understand. You'll only need one, ps3 and 1 vita, or more vitas for extra players. In GT's case you need 3 PS3's just for the video out's. Point is, it can run side by side, and be fluent.



MARCUSDJACKSON on 05 February 2012

view my op and then the first post in the thread which is also mine. yea i took a jab at ninty but the thread title says nothing about anyone copying anyone which is far from the truth.

i made the thread to prevent a flame war, and titled it accordingly, although it's the same title from the article.

title (Sony patented the ‘Wii U style’ tech in 2009)

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=133708&page=1



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