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Turkish on 05 February 2012
Slimebeast said:
Turkish said:
Slimebeast said:
Turkish said:
Slimebeast said:
Turkish said:
Plasmas over LCD/LED ANYDAY, Plasmas are much much better then LED and LCD

I have read about it many times and heard the claims that plasmas are better and in the past I agreed with them when I went to stores to compare but in the last two years I can't see the superiority of plasmas with my own eyes any more. Honestly when I visit electronics stores the Samsung expensive LEDs outshine the Panasonic VT30 series plasmas they have on display.


Thats becoz they set optimal configurations to LED tvs while Plasmas get worse treatlent so that they look bad lol, no joke. :) LEDs are a better form of LCDs, they're the same technology, the viewing angles, the contrast and blacks are still inferior to Plasmas, there is image ghosting in 3D displays while Plasmas dont have it. I agree with u tho, LEDs look amazing in stores :)

Damn, I suspected that they try to trick customers like that.

I might buy a Panasonic plasma after all. Especially now that they're in trouble, they need support.

It's so hard to decide.


Dude if you can find a cheap VT30 or VT20 go for it! What size do you game on?

I game on a 24 inch Samsung PC moniter. I always wanted to game on a big screen though.

It's so hard to decide. Should one go all out and buy the 55 inch VT30 for 2000 Euros or should one buy a smaller cheaper one and upgrade in a few years for an even better one (with better 3D and stuff)?


If you have the money, I say wait till spring when the VT50 releases and then try to either buy VT50 or find a cheap VT30 thats being phased out. Btw where do you live? I'm going to start playing Dark Souls too today :P



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DirtyP2002 on 05 February 2012
Turkish said:
Chris Hu said:
Turkish said:
Chris Hu said:
Turkish said:
Slimebeast said:
Panasonic was hot for electronic products in the 90's but since that they only been famous for their high quality plasma TV:s.

I planned to buy a Panasonic plasma TV for a while but since then LEDs have catched up and are very aweomse so most consumers including me will buy a Samsung LED.


Plasmas over LCD/LED ANYDAY, Plasmas are much much better then LED and LCD


Only if you like to waist electricty five years from now no electric company is going to make plasma TV's anymore.

Funny, I just remembered when LCD became affordable around 2005/2006 they were saying the exact same thing, Plasma is still around. Every other display technology is inferior to Plasma. The viewing angles, the colors, the contrast, the blacks, the refresh rate, the 3D is much better on Plasma.

 

The only technology that seems to rival Plasma seems to be OLED, but its only started to make an appearance and still too expensive.

Electric companies that stopped making plasma tv's outnumber the electric companies that are still making plasmas once Samsung and LG will stop making them which will be pretty soon its RIP for plasma.  Also around 2005/2006 was the last time all major electronic companies still made plasma tv's.  Since then Sony, Hitachi, Philips, Vizio, RCA, NEC, and Pioneer have stopped making plasma tv's.  Also not everyone needs or has room for a 40+inch tv for them LCD/LED and pretty soon OLED is the only choice.


For sure bro, Plasmas are doing as good as they did 5 years ago, Panasonic has more then 80 billion dollars of turnover just selling plasmas. Samsung makes plasmas, Sharp, Toshiba makes plasmas. Philips makes Plasmas, LG makes plasmas, oh yeah... did I say Hitachi still makes Plasmas too? Never heard of Vizio and RCA tho.

 

I plan on upgrading my Samsung plasma to a VT50 Panasonic plasma, probably the best tvs ever made after those Kuro's.


What are you talking about?

Toshiba, Philips, Hitachi and Sony all stopped making plasmas. Just like Pioneer, Fujitsu and NEC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_display#cite_note-55

 

And the LCD market is 10 times larger than the Plasma market

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/lcd-tv-market-larger-plasma-201102201032.htm

 

 

What is wrong with you that you always have to make people think the stuff you prefer is somehow superior and super succesful? Stop spreading bullshit.



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man-bear-pig on 05 February 2012

How the hell are these TV companies losing so much money...? If there is only a loss to be made in the TV market, then comps like Sony and Panasonic need to fade out and the remaining comps will need to charge at a higher price point!



My prediction threads:

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PS Vita will sell under 20m units (made on 30th September 2012)

Wii U will sell under 7m in 2013 - I was right

Halo 4 first 9 weeks sales prediction

PS4 to be down YOY in 2015

Turkish on 05 February 2012
DirtyP2002 said:
Turkish said:
Chris Hu said:
Turkish said:
Chris Hu said:
Turkish said:
Slimebeast said:
Panasonic was hot for electronic products in the 90's but since that they only been famous for their high quality plasma TV:s.

I planned to buy a Panasonic plasma TV for a while but since then LEDs have catched up and are very aweomse so most consumers including me will buy a Samsung LED.


Plasmas over LCD/LED ANYDAY, Plasmas are much much better then LED and LCD


Only if you like to waist electricty five years from now no electric company is going to make plasma TV's anymore.

Funny, I just remembered when LCD became affordable around 2005/2006 they were saying the exact same thing, Plasma is still around. Every other display technology is inferior to Plasma. The viewing angles, the colors, the contrast, the blacks, the refresh rate, the 3D is much better on Plasma.

 

The only technology that seems to rival Plasma seems to be OLED, but its only started to make an appearance and still too expensive.

Electric companies that stopped making plasma tv's outnumber the electric companies that are still making plasmas once Samsung and LG will stop making them which will be pretty soon its RIP for plasma.  Also around 2005/2006 was the last time all major electronic companies still made plasma tv's.  Since then Sony, Hitachi, Philips, Vizio, RCA, NEC, and Pioneer have stopped making plasma tv's.  Also not everyone needs or has room for a 40+inch tv for them LCD/LED and pretty soon OLED is the only choice.


For sure bro, Plasmas are doing as good as they did 5 years ago, Panasonic has more then 80 billion dollars of turnover just selling plasmas. Samsung makes plasmas, Sharp, Toshiba makes plasmas. Philips makes Plasmas, LG makes plasmas, oh yeah... did I say Hitachi still makes Plasmas too? Never heard of Vizio and RCA tho.

 

I plan on upgrading my Samsung plasma to a VT50 Panasonic plasma, probably the best tvs ever made after those Kuro's.


What are you talking about?

Toshiba, Philips, Hitachi and Sony all stopped making plasmas. Just like Pioneer, Fujitsu and NEC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_display#cite_note-55

 

And the LCD market is 10 times larger than the Plasma market

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/lcd-tv-market-larger-plasma-201102201032.htm

 

 

What is wrong with you that you always have to make people think the stuff you prefer is somehow superior and super succesful? Stop spreading bullshit.


When did I make people think the stuff I prefer is superior and succesful? You challenge the fact that Plasmas have better contrast, black level, refresh rate and viewing angle? Challenging the fact that 3D is better on Plasma then LCD/LED because its not affected by image ghosting/crosstalk? Who are you anyways? LEDs are better at energy consumption, they're great tv's if you can afford them.



Kasz216 on 05 February 2012
Panama said:
How many years will it take for these Japanese corporations to be in a strong position financially?

At this rate?  Never.  At least not in TVs.

I mean, it'll probably happen eventually, but Samsung is pretty much holding ALL the cards.



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Kasz216 on 05 February 2012
Joelcool7 said:


The American government purposely savotauged Japan. They convinced Japan to inflate the yen. They spent years inflating the yen. But then Americas economy started taking a hit now the yen is way way to strong. The yen continues to be out of control. Now the US is in trouble financially and the Government is taking protectionist actions. Example Obama said he will give American corporations tax breaks and help to employ Americans. He said he will do everything possible to give American products an edge.

Umm....


So... the econmic disaster happened in 2005.... from 2000 to 2004 the Yen actually DEFLATED.

So... um... your just wrong on a conceptual basis to begin with.

Additionally, Japan has been a very unhealthy economy for ages, long before 2005.

Because of it's rampant deflation.

http://www.economist.com/node/18119075



Kasz216 on 05 February 2012
goddog said:
Zappykins said:
"Man this sucks. P.S America is making it more difficult for Japan to recover and they won't likely recover again. They will need to adapt unless they can devalue the yen."

Did you know the US is in sort of like a big Depression? (I know they call it 'The Great Recession') but many states are closing many vital services, and even California has been paying employees with ‘I Owe Yous’ for the past several years at times. (California used to have one of the largest economies in the world if it was it’s own country.)

Yes, I agree with you, big corporations adjusting the government to suit their themselves is a big problem in the states – and it hurts many people in the states too. But I think most of Panasonic’s US consumers are the ‘average middle class people’ getting squeezed from both sides and don’t have the money to buy a nice new Plasma TV.

It’s kinda sad really, most everybody loses out.


perhaps california could raise taxes a bit, and cut services, its got some ridicules benefits compared to the rest of the county and was running deficits even in the good times

a non property tax raise is needed --- for most states and a national increase in gas tax by a few cents would help with our crumbling infrastructure, i know its unpopular choice to do so but its needed.

Wouldn't work.  Companies are already fleeing California due to it's ridiculiously high tax rates.

Really, the only thing that could save California is spending cuts... however, the only places they really have room to cut are all the ones specifically targetting spanish speaking people.

While hispanic people are an important as hell lobbying group.



Adinnieken on 05 February 2012
Kasz216 said:
goddog said:
Zappykins said:
"Man this sucks. P.S America is making it more difficult for Japan to recover and they won't likely recover again. They will need to adapt unless they can devalue the yen."

Did you know the US is in sort of like a big Depression? (I know they call it 'The Great Recession') but many states are closing many vital services, and even California has been paying employees with ‘I Owe Yous’ for the past several years at times. (California used to have one of the largest economies in the world if it was it’s own country.)

Yes, I agree with you, big corporations adjusting the government to suit their themselves is a big problem in the states – and it hurts many people in the states too. But I think most of Panasonic’s US consumers are the ‘average middle class people’ getting squeezed from both sides and don’t have the money to buy a nice new Plasma TV.

It’s kinda sad really, most everybody loses out.


perhaps california could raise taxes a bit, and cut services, its got some ridicules benefits compared to the rest of the county and was running deficits even in the good times

a non property tax raise is needed --- for most states and a national increase in gas tax by a few cents would help with our crumbling infrastructure, i know its unpopular choice to do so but its needed.

Wouldn't work.  Companies are already fleeing California due to it's ridiculiously high tax rates.

Really, the only thing that could save California is spending cuts... however, the only places they really have room to cut are all the ones specifically targetting spanish speaking people.

While hispanic people are an important as hell lobbying group.

California needs to get rid of the ability for the voters to put budgetary measures on the ballot before it can do any tax cutting.  The ability for voters to spend in California without regard to a budget by means of a ballot proposal is ridiculous. 



crissindahouse on 05 February 2012
Turkish said:
DirtyP2002 said:
Turkish said:
Chris Hu said:
Turkish said:
Chris Hu said:
Turkish said:
Slimebeast said:
Panasonic was hot for electronic products in the 90's but since that they only been famous for their high quality plasma TV:s.

I planned to buy a Panasonic plasma TV for a while but since then LEDs have catched up and are very aweomse so most consumers including me will buy a Samsung LED.


Plasmas over LCD/LED ANYDAY, Plasmas are much much better then LED and LCD


Only if you like to waist electricty five years from now no electric company is going to make plasma TV's anymore.

Funny, I just remembered when LCD became affordable around 2005/2006 they were saying the exact same thing, Plasma is still around. Every other display technology is inferior to Plasma. The viewing angles, the colors, the contrast, the blacks, the refresh rate, the 3D is much better on Plasma.

 

The only technology that seems to rival Plasma seems to be OLED, but its only started to make an appearance and still too expensive.

Electric companies that stopped making plasma tv's outnumber the electric companies that are still making plasmas once Samsung and LG will stop making them which will be pretty soon its RIP for plasma.  Also around 2005/2006 was the last time all major electronic companies still made plasma tv's.  Since then Sony, Hitachi, Philips, Vizio, RCA, NEC, and Pioneer have stopped making plasma tv's.  Also not everyone needs or has room for a 40+inch tv for them LCD/LED and pretty soon OLED is the only choice.


For sure bro, Plasmas are doing as good as they did 5 years ago, Panasonic has more then 80 billion dollars of turnover just selling plasmas. Samsung makes plasmas, Sharp, Toshiba makes plasmas. Philips makes Plasmas, LG makes plasmas, oh yeah... did I say Hitachi still makes Plasmas too? Never heard of Vizio and RCA tho.

 

I plan on upgrading my Samsung plasma to a VT50 Panasonic plasma, probably the best tvs ever made after those Kuro's.


What are you talking about?

Toshiba, Philips, Hitachi and Sony all stopped making plasmas. Just like Pioneer, Fujitsu and NEC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_display#cite_note-55

 

And the LCD market is 10 times larger than the Plasma market

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/lcd-tv-market-larger-plasma-201102201032.htm

 

 

What is wrong with you that you always have to make people think the stuff you prefer is somehow superior and super succesful? Stop spreading bullshit.


When did I make people think the stuff I prefer is superior and succesful? You challenge the fact that Plasmas have better contrast, black level, refresh rate and viewing angle? Challenging the fact that 3D is better on Plasma then LCD/LED because its not affected by image ghosting/crosstalk? Who are you anyways? LEDs are better at energy consumption, they're great tv's if you can afford them.

i did never understand this viewing angle point. all magazines talk about that and i never had a problem with this and i own my 6th flat tv now which 4 of them were lcd's. i can watch from a wide angle on my actual led and the image stays almost perfect. only if i watch from an angle which no one would do the imgae starts to be too milky but yeah why the hell should i do that?

and talking about crosstalk for example it depends which technology you use for 3d. the passive led's don't have this problem for example like the active ones have. ok they have a lower res in 3d then but mine has passive 3d and i really have no prob with the lower resolution. 

and for me, after owning 2 plasmas (my last one before my actual tv was one and i stilll have it in my bedroom) i know for me i don't need plasma anymore. i like plasma more for normal tv but for gaming for example i like my led much more. the colors are more realistic on plasma so i liked it for faces in tv-shows and so on but for gaming i like the led colors much more and for movies it depends. unrealistic movies in fantasy worlds or cgi movies and i prefer led, a movie like shawshank redemption and i prefer plasma and since i don't use my tv only in a dark room because i'm not a zombie, plasma sucks compared to led's in rooms not as dark as the night. all together i prefer led now if it doesn't have too much clouding/banding which can be still a big problem for led's bu it really depends from tv to tv and if one model has it i just replace it for free within two weeks which isn't a problem at least where i live

 

(this is all my opinion and if someone likes this or that more on this or that tv i can live with it)



Superman4 on 17 February 2012
Player1x3 said:
Slimebeast said:
Player1x3 said:
Turkish said:
Slimebeast said:
Panasonic was hot for electronic products in the 90's but since that they only been famous for their high quality plasma TV:s.

I planned to buy a Panasonic plasma TV for a while but since then LEDs have catched up and are very aweomse so most consumers including me will buy a Samsung LED.


Plasmas over LCD/LED ANYDAY, Plasmas are much much better then LED and LCD


ugh, no. just no, not even close

Could you elaborate on that?

Stuttering, coudling/bleeding on the image is a problem even on the most expensive Samsung LEDs. And they still haven't caught up with plasmas in contrast and blackness. My biggest fear is of the clouding/bleeding when watching movies on a LCD/LED.


Plasma have faster response and smoother motion with 600Hz but you might have also heard that plasmas suffer from screen burn-in, an affliction not commonly associated with LEDs. Screen burn in occurs when an image is left too long on a screen, resulting in a ghost of that image "burned in". Newer plasmas like Panasonic are improved technology and features such as screensavers, but burn-in can still be a problem.If you don't mind this Panasonic is a great brand for plasma to get. However, nothing beats Samsung UN40B7000 40-Inch 1080p 120Hz LED HDTV for gaming.  

I wouldnt say nothing beats it. Samsungs own plasmas actually beat it pretty good. Especially when you 3d game. 3D looks like garbage on most LCds when compared to their plasma counterparts. As for burn in, you can get it with LCD and LED as well. It is not as common and hard to do, I have however seen a few. Most plasmas use pixel shifting to help combat burn in even though it is much harder to burn in newer panels. Bottom line is their is nothing available today that can display a better picture than a plasma. At least for consumer home viewing. LCDs are all far too slow currently and suffer from some serious panning issues due to how they add in the frames of picture data to compensate for their horrible panel speeds. Even the 240hz versions can't compare to the plasmas.