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Turkish said:
Slimebeast said:
Panasonic was hot for electronic products in the 90's but since that they only been famous for their high quality plasma TV:s.

I planned to buy a Panasonic plasma TV for a while but since then LEDs have catched up and are very aweomse so most consumers including me will buy a Samsung LED.


Plasmas over LCD/LED ANYDAY, Plasmas are much much better then LED and LCD


ugh, no. just no, not even close



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Admin you had a point when you stuck to Japanese cars.

But the second you started spewing crap about the keystone pipeline being built to ship oil to China you lost any respect I could have possibly had for you.

None of the keystone oil was headed to China. It was headed to Texas and southern USA. We were selling it up to 30% cheaper then we were offered by China. Obama asked Canada as did Bush to increase oil production. Obama made multiple statements that the US wanted to relieve its dependents on middle eastern oil. The US Government specifically lobbied our Government to get keystone.

Wanna know how I know? Because the Minister of trade goes to my church, I belong to the Conservative Party which is currently in Government. I discuss these issues all the time with fellow Conservatives.

Your Government has betrayed my country multiple times in the past few years. Violating free trade stealing terrify and ignoring international court rulings. Your country owes Canada billions in stolen money, gets our resources for a fraction of what they are worth. Constantly treats our country like its personal bank.

You want to know why we are sending oil to China? To send your ungrateful and collapsing government a message. We are not your bitch.

As for the pipeline to BC to send oil to China. Maybe you should do some research before opening your mouth. Guess who the biggest opponents to it are? American environmentalist corporations the same jerks that came up here telling us we shouldn't allow our natives to kill seals. Because seals are cute those environmentalist hypocrites aren't helping the tuna going extinct or the thousands of American animals.

Yah and guess what our Government you claim is so worried about the oil pipeline headed to BC branded them? Extremists and enemies of Canada. Ya we are so hypocritical the Americans are upset we might have an oil spill in our country. So upset they are funding American environmentalist groups to try and stop it.

I'm sorry if I have no sympathy for a country that told us to increase oil production got offered the oil for around 30% off then screws us. Steals six billion in illegal terrify only repaying a fraction of what international courts have demanded. Violated free trade agreements several times in the past few years. Now that ungrateful government wants to make it even harder for.our country to sell to America in direct violation of NAFTA.

You also forget buddy Canada only has a.population up to 35- million. Now look at your numbers again.



-JC7

"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer

 

Umm Yah 300,000 homeless in a country with less then 10% of the population. So you say America only has 600,000? Yah I feel so sorry for the homeless guy sitting on a hot beach in Florida or California. Or maybe the homeless.guy in Texas or the one getting thousands a year pan handling in New York.

While our homeless freeze to death half the year. Have only 10% of the population to support them. Less welfare less civil services.

No why the heck.would I feel.in the least bit sorry for you? I myself have nearly been homeless I have gone through four jobs in a few years. Got chronic insomnia due to the stress was pulled from University. Spent every dime I had keeping my dad from being homeless. My psychiatrist told me I was spiraling into depression for years saying I had to stimulate my mind. I have used film and games to help.treat my autism for years.

This year my disability funding is likely being scaled back further because our Government is struggling. My province once Hollywood north is taking huge hits due to American protectionism. My step dad lost his job due to the softwood lumber dispute because your Government robbed my country of billions.

So you want me to have sympathy on your country? The country that stole billions broke multiple agreements. Took my step dads job ran my food, gas and electricity bills up because we send it all to you.

Do not think for a second I feel sorry for your greedy country. PS that oil you were going to be paying 30% less for was going to employ thousands of Americans both on the pipeline and in refineries.

So you know what, I hope we sell everything to China. This move was a warning shot across America se bow. Read a thread I wrote a few months ago.

Harper the honorable Prime Minister of Canada threatened early last year. If Obama screwed us again with free trade violations we would sell our goods else where. Today we start selling oil to China, tomorrow our lumber then our metals our water. Soon we cut America off entirely sending our goods to Britain the EU and Asia.

While the American people are reduced to begging for hand outs after their economy and resources burn out. Soon we are donating to world vision to feed the children of California and sending peace keepers to keep your extremist groups from slaughtering you.

That is the future if America continues to screw with us and the rest of the international community. NATO put it bluntly American protectionism will make evryone poorer



-JC7

"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer

 

Sorry for.being so harsh but your comments piss me off. Example allow our country to violate your environment. Ya because we benefit so much selling our oil at a huge discount to your country not even processing it much up here letting your refineries do the work employing Americans with Canadian jobs.

How thoughtless of us!



-JC7

"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer

 

Turkish said:
Slimebeast said:
Turkish said:
Slimebeast said:
Turkish said:
Plasmas over LCD/LED ANYDAY, Plasmas are much much better then LED and LCD

I have read about it many times and heard the claims that plasmas are better and in the past I agreed with them when I went to stores to compare but in the last two years I can't see the superiority of plasmas with my own eyes any more. Honestly when I visit electronics stores the Samsung expensive LEDs outshine the Panasonic VT30 series plasmas they have on display.


Thats becoz they set optimal configurations to LED tvs while Plasmas get worse treatlent so that they look bad lol, no joke. :) LEDs are a better form of LCDs, they're the same technology, the viewing angles, the contrast and blacks are still inferior to Plasmas, there is image ghosting in 3D displays while Plasmas dont have it. I agree with u tho, LEDs look amazing in stores :)

Damn, I suspected that they try to trick customers like that.

I might buy a Panasonic plasma after all. Especially now that they're in trouble, they need support.

It's so hard to decide.


Dude if you can find a cheap VT30 or VT20 go for it! What size do you game on?

I game on a 24 inch Samsung PC moniter. I always wanted to game on a big screen though.

It's so hard to decide. Should one go all out and buy the 55 inch VT30 for 2000 Euros or should one buy a smaller cheaper one and upgrade in a few years for an even better one (with better 3D and stuff)?



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Player1x3 said:
Turkish said:
Slimebeast said:
Panasonic was hot for electronic products in the 90's but since that they only been famous for their high quality plasma TV:s.

I planned to buy a Panasonic plasma TV for a while but since then LEDs have catched up and are very aweomse so most consumers including me will buy a Samsung LED.


Plasmas over LCD/LED ANYDAY, Plasmas are much much better then LED and LCD


ugh, no. just no, not even close

Could you elaborate on that?

Stuttering, coudling/bleeding on the image is a problem even on the most expensive Samsung LEDs. And they still haven't caught up with plasmas in contrast and blackness. My biggest fear is of the clouding/bleeding when watching movies on a LCD/LED.



Zappykins said:
"Man this sucks. P.S America is making it more difficult for Japan to recover and they won't likely recover again. They will need to adapt unless they can devalue the yen."

Did you know the US is in sort of like a big Depression? (I know they call it 'The Great Recession') but many states are closing many vital services, and even California has been paying employees with ‘I Owe Yous’ for the past several years at times. (California used to have one of the largest economies in the world if it was it’s own country.)

Yes, I agree with you, big corporations adjusting the government to suit their themselves is a big problem in the states – and it hurts many people in the states too. But I think most of Panasonic’s US consumers are the ‘average middle class people’ getting squeezed from both sides and don’t have the money to buy a nice new Plasma TV.

It’s kinda sad really, most everybody loses out.


perhaps california could raise taxes a bit, and cut services, its got some ridicules benefits compared to the rest of the county and was running deficits even in the good times

a non property tax raise is needed --- for most states and a national increase in gas tax by a few cents would help with our crumbling infrastructure, i know its unpopular choice to do so but its needed.

  I don't think we are in a depression, i have not see consecutive quarters of negative gdp which im fairly certain is how a depression is defined. and the jobs market although tough is not abysmal I have gone form being laid off in 2008 to making out of band raises (i work in tech now)

I understand a need for a weak dollar right now, but its a dangerous game where we put our status as a reserve currency in jeopardy, we can keep this up for a bit but too long and someone will replace us, chinas internal strife, and the growing belief they are hiding debt like greece was is something that will buy us time.

in japan they cannot devalue the currency quite the way we can without wicked side effects, they constantly fight deflation, an aging populous with a shrinking tax base, things are going to get very bad there very quick if they can not make so major structural reforms.

really the down turn has highlighted the pretty much every country/currency was living on some borrowed time with structural issues that need to be worked out, the usa has a bit more time to do it as a reserve currency but it still needs to take care of it sooner rather than later, i hope if obama makers it to a second term (i believe he will) he takes a stand on the deficit as he has no need to fear re election, i hope he makes a stand even if it otrisisez him form his party it needs to be done



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I hope they go belly up. Their plasmas are good, but I would never own one. When they break....and they do, good luck getting it fixed for cheap if at all.



Slimebeast said:
Player1x3 said:
Turkish said:
Slimebeast said:
Panasonic was hot for electronic products in the 90's but since that they only been famous for their high quality plasma TV:s.

I planned to buy a Panasonic plasma TV for a while but since then LEDs have catched up and are very aweomse so most consumers including me will buy a Samsung LED.


Plasmas over LCD/LED ANYDAY, Plasmas are much much better then LED and LCD


ugh, no. just no, not even close

Could you elaborate on that?

Stuttering, coudling/bleeding on the image is a problem even on the most expensive Samsung LEDs. And they still haven't caught up with plasmas in contrast and blackness. My biggest fear is of the clouding/bleeding when watching movies on a LCD/LED.


Plasma have faster response and smoother motion with 600Hz but you might have also heard that plasmas suffer from screen burn-in, an affliction not commonly associated with LEDs. Screen burn in occurs when an image is left too long on a screen, resulting in a ghost of that image "burned in". Newer plasmas like Panasonic are improved technology and features such as screensavers, but burn-in can still be a problem.If you don't mind this Panasonic is a great brand for plasma to get. However, nothing beats Samsung UN40B7000 40-Inch 1080p 120Hz LED HDTV for gaming.  



Adinnieken said:
Turkish said:
Chris Hu said:
Turkish said:
Slimebeast said:
Panasonic was hot for electronic products in the 90's but since that they only been famous for their high quality plasma TV:s.

I planned to buy a Panasonic plasma TV for a while but since then LEDs have catched up and are very aweomse so most consumers including me will buy a Samsung LED.


Plasmas over LCD/LED ANYDAY, Plasmas are much much better then LED and LCD


Only if you like to waist electricty five years from now no electric company is going to make plasma TV's anymore.

Funny, I just remembered when LCD became affordable around 2005/2006 they were saying the exact same thing, Plasma is still around. Every other display technology is inferior to Plasma. The viewing angles, the colors, the contrast, the blacks, the refresh rate, the 3D is much better on Plasma.

 

The only technology that seems to rival Plasma seems to be OLED, but its only started to make an appearance and still too expensive.

Even the burn-in is better on plasma.

Oh wait...you were talking about the pluses, weren't you?


Burn-ins are a thing of the past, really. But if you're still not sure you can always break-in. That said, my plasma still does have image retention but its a temporary thing:)